Is it wrong to have children?

[Dylar]

The whole argument for that post just makes the idea sound like it came from a highschooler.

A highschooler would talk about "work-life balance?"

Actually, yes, they would.

[Infected Mushroom]

No it makes sense in the real world.

Children are real screamers/disruptors at movie theaters, opera houses, and restaurants
Children will have a massive ecological footprint on the planet (making the parents giving birth a massive multiplicative act of environmental destruction); not to mention the planet is over-crowded
In the vast majority of cases, children destroy work-life balance unless this is held up by gender inequality of some kind
In the vast majority of cases, children will grow up to feel stressed out, unhappy, and un-free regardless of what the parents do next

Children annoying you at the movies feels rather insignificant compared to the rest of the list.

well they ruined Sound of Music for me and lots of others

[Aillyria]

The whole argument for that post just makes the idea sound like it came from a highschooler.

A highschooler would talk about "work-life balance?"

With all the "teen moms" nowadays, yeah.

[Internationalist Bastard]

A highschooler would talk about "work-life balance?"

With all the "teen moms" nowadays, yeah.

Why put a quote around that? They are literally teenage mothers

[Italian Futurist State]

no

[Ifreann]

With all the "teen moms" nowadays, yeah.

Why put a quote around that? They are literally teenage mothers

"Scare quotes" "are" "fun" "?"

[The Ozark Frontier]

Haha! No...

[Divitalia]

Most people don’t wish to end their own lives, so it seems life is enjoyable enough that most would rather experience it than not. Having children seems completely moral to me.

[Xen Scandia]

Anyone is free to choose and have children as they wish as long as abortion is available for those who were victims I see no need to force people to have children or ban them

[Mithea III]

In more direct response to nihilism, I believe life has meaning and it doesn't have meaning at the same time. It doesn't have meaning in the context that we aren't video game characters. We aren't born with a specific set of quests, objectives, and an end goal that results in beating the game (does winning the actual game of Life count?). When we assign value to our lives (such as meeting a partner we love, being financially successful, raising good children, etc.), we are giving them meaning. However, these "goals" are merely social goals; goals that wouldn't even be possible if humans as a whole didn't give them context.

Honestly, I think we as a species have grown more intelligent than our animalistic roles would need us to be. We look for meaning in something perceptible. We want something we can understand. At our core, though, our needs and drive is instinctual. The majority of people try to survive and carry on the species without having to consciously think about it. That is our meaning, and it can be understood by looking at nature. Bacteria reproduces thousands of times daily, and the life of a single bacterium is short, and without any pleasures. They don't have the ability to even think at all, even more so to contemplate their existence. They go through evolution quickly and without an actual outline, just thousands of instances of natural trial and error. They aren't looking for a finish line, only doing what is natural. We are bacteria, only at a much larger, much slower scale. So my advice? Dumb down your brain every once in awhile and find meaning subconsciously within yourself.

[Surmiicborsu]

Why shouldn't people give birth?

A couple wants kids.

"We want some kids!" - says the couple.

"Great!" -says some orphans. "Well we want some parents!"

'Awww how cute!" -says the couple. "But here's the thing: fuck you. We want an alien looking creature that looks like us. Enjoy your
high recidivism rate. Just know that your life of poverty helped fuel our weird evolutionary impulse to go through an uncomfortable 9 months, an excruciating procedure, and helped bring a new child into the world!... who will then go on to compete with you in the market place with the advantage of a better education.

They will also consume natural resources.

Trust us, it'll be worth it."

I know couples that give birth don't think that way, but if it's possible to overcome the weird birthing impulse we have, we need to fucking do it any chance we get.

GENIUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTES 1000/1000 TOTALLY AGREE.

I am 10000000% Pro-Nihilism and I say unto thou Beings,

Life is meaningless, Non-existence is dah goal, and if you cannot afford to give your children a good life and food to feed them DON'T create them to suffer. You are not allowed to have children SIMPLY because you want to, You are in charge of You and Your Partner, Not the Kid that comes after for he/she is a New Soul, That kid is a new Sovereignty that you can't just summon for your own amusement under the condition that you know you don't have the resource to support it and the fact that you know this world is a piece of s**t and therefore,

it's immoral to bring children into this piece of s**t world with you yourself knowing that this is a piece of s**t world.

^

Dah above supremely holy sentence answers the crap outta the age old question "Why giving birth MIGHT be wrong" , well that's ONE reason why it MIGHT be wrong.

[Petrolheadia]

A couple wants kids.

"We want some kids!" - says the couple.

"Great!" -says some orphans. "Well we want some parents!"

'Awww how cute!" -says the couple. "But here's the thing: fuck you. We want an alien looking creature that looks like us. Enjoy your
high recidivism rate. Just know that your life of poverty helped fuel our weird evolutionary impulse to go through an uncomfortable 9 months, an excruciating procedure, and helped bring a new child into the world!... who will then go on to compete with you in the market place with the advantage of a better education.

They will also consume natural resources.

Trust us, it'll be worth it."

I know couples that give birth don't think that way, but if it's possible to overcome the weird birthing impulse we have, we need to fucking do it any chance we get.

GENIUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTES 1000/1000 TOTALLY AGREE.

I am 10000000% Pro-Nihilism and I say unto thou Beings,

Life is meaningless, Non-existence is dah goal, and if you cannot afford to give your children a good life and food to feed them DON'T create them to suffer. You are not allowed to have children SIMPLY because you want to, You are in charge of You and Your Partner, Not the Kid that comes after for he/she is a New Soul, That kid is a new Sovereignty that you can't just summon for your own amusement under the condition that you know you don't have the resource to support it and the fact that you know this world is a piece of s**t and therefore,

it's immoral to bring children into this piece of s**t world with you yourself knowing that this is a piece of s**t world.

^

Dah above supremely holy sentence answers the crap outta the age old question "Why giving birth MIGHT be wrong" , well that's ONE reason why it MIGHT be wrong.

If you say non-existence is the goal, and you exist, isn't that kinda hypocritical?

[Mithea III]

GENIUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTES 1000/1000 TOTALLY AGREE.

I am 10000000% Pro-Nihilism and I say unto thou Beings,

Life is meaningless, Non-existence is dah goal, and if you cannot afford to give your children a good life and food to feed them DON'T create them to suffer. You are not allowed to have children SIMPLY because you want to, You are in charge of You and Your Partner, Not the Kid that comes after for he/she is a New Soul, That kid is a new Sovereignty that you can't just summon for your own amusement under the condition that you know you don't have the resource to support it and the fact that you know this world is a piece of s**t and therefore,

it's immoral to bring children into this piece of s**t world with you yourself knowing that this is a piece of s**t world.

^

Dah above supremely holy sentence answers the crap outta the age old question "Why giving birth MIGHT be wrong" , well that's ONE reason why it MIGHT be wrong.

If you say non-existence is the goal, and you exist, isn't that kinda hypocritical?

Careful. Mass suicides have been created from much smaller statements...

[United Muscovite Nations]

Being created is where the argument of absolute consent-driven morality fails. If there is an absolute right to breed, then it is okay to force someone, against their will, to live and potentially suffer.

[Ethel mermania]

If you say non-existence is the goal, and you exist, isn't that kinda hypocritical?

Careful. Mass suicides have been created from much smaller statements...

It is still an innately hypocritical statement to make.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Careful. Mass suicides have been created from much smaller statements...

It is still an innately hypocritical statement to make.

Non-existence for others who are worse for the environment and/or have less to live for.

Again, numerous resources have already been put into anti-natalists' existence for the first few years of their lives. Killing themselves wouldn't reverse this; only take away their chance at making up for it through environmental activism.

That pro-natalists have no better argument than "kill yourself" is pretty damning about humanity's role in nature.

[Mike the Progressive]

I don't know if it's wrong or if anything is wrong. But kids tend to suck. Unlike dogs, they will disappoint you, hate you and cause you heartache and grief long before they die.

So I vote no.

[Ethel mermania]

It is still an innately hypocritical statement to make.

Non-existence for others who are worse for the environment and/or have less to live for.

Again, numerous resources have already been put into anti-natalists' existence for the first few years of their lives. Killing themselves wouldn't reverse this; only take away their chance at making up for it through environmental activism.

That pro-natalists have no better argument than "kill yourself" is pretty damning about humanity's role in nature.

They still are sucking up resources that would be better used elsewhere. Making the argument means giving up on fixing the problem, since resources are so limited to take such drastic measures, wouldnt the planet be better off if they would graciously step out of the way and gave someone else the opportunity to fix it.

It is by no means the only argument. The basic arguement is the anti-natalist arguement is bullshit as malthus died 200 years ago, and is still dead.

However when someone tells you "you can't have kids because of X, yet in spite of x, they can have it. The answer is going to be an emotionally based one going along the lines of "they can go fuck themselves". it is an emotional response to an obvious hypocritical unfairness, if someone is unwilling to do what it takes to make their reality, taking away oppertunity from others is hypocritical bullshit, and should be treated as such.

[Pope Joan]

What do you hope will fill up our gene pool?

You are selling out society by default, by giving place to the genes less desirable than your own.

[Auze]

Who took the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement seriously?