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[DEFEATED/DISCARDED] The Cloning Conventions

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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:36 pm

Orveila wrote:"The Federal Republic of Orveila views the convention under consideration to be a gross attempt to legislate a matter that would be better left to individual states, many of whom would prefer to prohibit the use of cloning on the account of legitimate ethical concerns regarding this largely untested technology."


"With all due respect, ambassador, but this proposal doesn't stop nations from banning the use of cloning technology. Yes, it does in fact put some restrictions in place, mostly on ethical grounds, but at the same time, this proposal also protects the right for members to regulate what methods of cloning are legal within each respective member's borders, by extent allowing nations to outlaw any and all methods of cloning.

And yes, I understand it's peculiar that I'm arguing in favour of this proposal when our official stance remains "opposed", but I've seen the "against because nations may wish to ban it/we think it's immoral and should be banned" line being used a tad too often, seeing how it doesn't hold much ground in the face of clause 9."

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Postby Ardiveds » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:58 pm

OOC: Looks like this proposal just lost the clone war. (Sorry, just had to say this :rofl: )
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:35 am

Araraukar wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: The proposal doesn’t address the legality of cloning itself)

OOC: Yes it does, in clause 6. I also question in that clause how are you going to "reliably confirm, with a high degree of confidence, that the clone is not suffering from locked-in syndrome or any related disability", until you already have said clone in your hands and it has developed to the point when you are able to test it for its mental faculties?

(OOC: I meant that the proposal doesn’t force member nations to legalise or ban the practice of cloning, which a few players seem to think it does, though I could have been clearer. It does appear that the locked-in syndrome clause is a rather large problem, since, due to it requiring an impossible standard with its limitations, it bans something the proposal didn’t mean to ban.)
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Postby Caspian Settlement » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:45 pm

"The Cloning Conventions" was defeated 9,815 votes to 6,001.


Depending on the ruling made by the World Assembly Secretariat, I plan to split this proposal into two or three separate proposals to better account for the variety of topics covered by The Cloning Conventions. These separate proposals will be posted & linked to in the OP shortly.
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Postby Hatzisland » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:10 pm

Caspian Settlement wrote:
"The Cloning Conventions" was defeated 9,815 votes to 6,001.


Depending on the ruling made by the World Assembly Secretariat, I plan to split this proposal into two or three separate proposals to better account for the variety of topics covered by The Cloning Conventions. These separate proposals will be posted & linked to in the OP shortly.


But you didn't write the proposal.
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Postby Caspian Settlement » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:59 pm

Hatzisland wrote:
Caspian Settlement wrote:
"The Cloning Conventions" was defeated 9,815 votes to 6,001.


Depending on the ruling made by the World Assembly Secretariat, I plan to split this proposal into two or three separate proposals to better account for the variety of topics covered by The Cloning Conventions. These separate proposals will be posted & linked to in the OP shortly.


But you didn't write the proposal.

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Postby Hatzisland » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:31 pm

Caspian Settlement wrote:
Hatzisland wrote:
But you didn't write the proposal.

I was formerly known as La Navasse.


So you changed your name?
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Postby Caspian Settlement » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:28 pm

Hatzisland wrote:
Caspian Settlement wrote:I was formerly known as La Navasse.


So you changed your name?

Yes.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:44 pm

Hatzisland wrote:
Caspian Settlement wrote:I was formerly known as La Navasse.


So you changed your name?

More accurately, they switched to a different main nation. Nation names cannot be changed due to how the game is coded.
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Postby Merni » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:19 am

OOC: Regarding the title of the thread, I don't think your proposal was discarded (i.e. removed from vote by GenSec due to rule violations), maybe you mean abandoned?
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:05 am

Merni wrote:OOC: Regarding the title of the thread, I don't think your proposal was discarded (i.e. removed from vote by GenSec due to rule violations), maybe you mean abandoned?

It was discarded. Had it passed, it would not have taken effect.

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