by Neocity » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:41 am
by San Hieronymi » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:49 am
by Araraukar » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:03 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Neocity » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:32 am
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Welcome to the GA forum!
In case you are an actual newbie around here, this proposal attempt is pretty good for a first try, but I'm fairly sure that we already have a resolution that requires fair elections in nations that have elections.
by Tinhampton » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:36 am
Neocity wrote:HEREBY enacts the resolution "Fair Election Laws", which;
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:26 am
by San Hieronymi » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:14 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Ideological bans ban ideologies. It’s quite restricted in its application. People who want to spout things about the rules should take a look at the ruleset and then at my spreadsheet of GenSec rulings.
by Grays Harbor » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:50 pm
Neocity wrote:Fair Election Laws
Category: Political Stability
Strength: Mild
DEFINING elections as a political process in which more than one political organisation participates to formolu a ruling government for a country.
ADMITTING the fact, that election is the base core of a democratic rulership, and it encourages all citizens of a country to actively participate in the system and allows the citizens to feel a sense of control on their own country.
However, CONCERNED that despite being democratic in paper, many countries or rather certain individualsituations or political organization's in a country misusing the gaps left in a democracy to increase their power and hold it for an unusually a long amount of time, which often exceed their elected term. This increases the corruption within the system and render it null and void.
STRESSED, that in under-developed, developing and sometimes even in developed countries, the elections are not held fairly, in that case, the democratic aim is violated and as a result, the citizens suffer most. It is also notable, that often votes are bought by money and negative adventicement about candidates confuse the general public and often robs a qualified candidate of his or her desired position.
HEREBY enacts the resolution "Fair Election Laws", which;
1) Urges all WA nations with democratic aim and tradition to hold non-aligned, fairly contested elections.
2) Requires the government of a nation, if necessary, to form an Election Committee in the time of an election. The responsibility of this committee is to supervise the election and must be non-aligned.
3) November negative advertisements about any candidate should be allowed. The involved individuals should be punished accordingly.
4) The government or Election Committee should not allow any candidates with questionable background or charges against him or her to be nominated for a position.
5) The government or Election Committee will allow a fixed fund to be donated for advertising and other costs of the campaign to each political organisations.
6) The government or Election Committee will take full responsibility for any unfavourable incidents during the election campaign and election day and will punishment the involved individuals accordingly. They will also not tolerate an post-election mishaps and will punish the involved individuals accordingly to promote tolerance and patience toward the opponent.
7) No other nations will not intercept in the election of a nation in any way.
3) November negative advertisements about any candidate should be allowed. The involved individuals should be punished accordingly.
4) The government or Election Committee should not allow any candidates with questionable background or charges against him or her to be nominated for a position.
6) The government or Election Committee will take full responsibility for any unfavourable incidents during the election campaign and election day and will punishment the involved individuals accordingly. They will also not tolerate an post-election mishaps and will punish the involved individuals accordingly to promote tolerance and patience toward the opponent.
7) No other nations will not intercept in the election of a nation in any way.
by The First German Order » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:08 pm
by Stoskavanya » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:25 pm
San Hieronymi wrote:((OOC: Free Speech goes to the heart of an ideology. You simply couldn't run an oppressive dictatorship with American style free speech laws, can you point to any dictatorship that has absolute free speech? Certain things go to the heart of an ideology, if you take them away then it is simply impossible to have that type of state. There are only a small number of such issues but they do exist. This would be an ideological ban by the back door. That rule is there as far as I am aware to allow all the different sorts of nations to have a home here and allow them to participate in the WA.))
by San Hieronymi » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:31 pm
Stoskavanya wrote:San Hieronymi wrote:((OOC: Free Speech goes to the heart of an ideology. You simply couldn't run an oppressive dictatorship with American style free speech laws, can you point to any dictatorship that has absolute free speech? Certain things go to the heart of an ideology, if you take them away then it is simply impossible to have that type of state. There are only a small number of such issues but they do exist. This would be an ideological ban by the back door. That rule is there as far as I am aware to allow all the different sorts of nations to have a home here and allow them to participate in the WA.))
If that's the case then with the sheer amount of human rights legislation that the WA has, dictatorships are basically impossible.
by Araraukar » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:07 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Masurbia » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:09 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Welcome to the GA forum!
In case you are an actual newbie around here, this proposal attempt is pretty good for a first try, but I'm fairly sure that we already have a resolution that requires fair elections in nations that have elections.
by San Hieronymi » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:16 pm
Araraukar wrote:San Hieronymi wrote:((OOC Free Speech is a bit more of an issue. It would be hard to effectively run a dictatorship but not impossible.))
OOC: Not difficult or impossible at all, and you don't even have to get very creative with your compliance. A lot of the resolutions, like Freedom of Expression, don't actually do what people think they do. Authoritarian dictatorships are completely possible. True communism might not be, because of the copyright/patent fuckery that GenSec declared legal, but even there you need just a little creativity to make it possible again.
by Araraukar » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:26 pm
San Hieronymi wrote:(( OOC I am not talking so much about current resolutions but on what would happen if a slow creep advanced with proposals like the one drafted above and the other draft proposal currently being worked on))
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:13 pm
Araraukar wrote:San Hieronymi wrote:(( OOC I am not talking so much about current resolutions but on what would happen if a slow creep advanced with proposals like the one drafted above and the other draft proposal currently being worked on))
OOC: That "slow creep" has already happened pretty much as far as it can, without tripping over the ideological ban rule. EDIT: I suggest looking at the copyright and patent law resolutions' debate threads to see what I meant with the resistance, and there's at least one Legality Challenge thread somewhere on one of them.
by Araraukar » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:21 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: That "slow creep" has already happened pretty much as far as it can, without tripping over the ideological ban rule. EDIT: I suggest looking at the copyright and patent law resolutions' debate threads to see what I meant with the resistance, and there's at least one Legality Challenge thread somewhere on one of them.
Or just go to my GenSec rulings catalogue, hit the column that says 'rules applied', go to the one that says 'Ideological Ban', and bam: viewtopic.php?p=31219662#p31219662
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:40 pm
Araraukar wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:Or just go to my GenSec rulings catalogue, hit the column that says 'rules applied', go to the one that says 'Ideological Ban', and bam: viewtopic.php?p=31219662#p31219662
OOC: That works for the challenge and the ruling, but the resolutions' debate threads, before they passed into resolutions, are valuable for understanding the pro-and-against stances, as well.
by Kenmoria » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:32 am
by Kenmoria » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:35 am
The First German Order wrote:“... we don’t have elections.”
by Mazemba » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:53 am
by Tinfect » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:49 am
San Hieronymi wrote:((OOC: Free Speech goes to the heart of an ideology. You simply couldn't run an oppressive dictatorship with American style free speech laws,
San Hieronymi wrote:can you point to any dictatorship that has absolute free speech?
San Hieronymi wrote:Certain things go to the heart of an ideology, if you take them away then it is simply impossible to have that type of state.
San Hieronymi wrote:There are only a small number of such issues but they do exist.
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