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Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:58 pm

I've seen and heard comments recently here and elsewhere regarding changing demographics and areas becoming more multicultural and diverse is a bad thing. That somehow it undermines the concept of a nation or is somehow destructive to the culture of the country or province or city. Having a multicultural nation or city contributes much to a society.

Some have even go so far as to allege there is some conspiracy involved which is complete nonsense.

I fail to see how multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing. Go to any major city and you find people from all backgrounds and different ethnic groups. Why is that a bad thing? My city and our neighboring city is one of the most diverse and multicultural in the world. Being diverse and multicultural has contributed a great deal to our culture and history. I love walking down the street and hearing other languages and seeing people from many different backgrounds and countries.

If someone comes to your country legally either as an immigrant or a refugee seeking a better life and opportunity why is that bad. In addition said person gets a work visa and a job and later becomes a citizen, why is that not a good thing?

Furthermore everyone is a descendent of immigrants in some way no matter how far back you go. Unless you are from certain areas in Asia or the Middle East or Africa you are technically an immigrant.

What's your thoughts NSG? And is it Good or Bad?

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Postby Likar » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:I've seen and heard comments recently here and elsewhere regarding changing demographics and areas becoming more multicultural and diverse is a bad thing. That somehow it undermines the concept of a nation or is somehow destructive to the culture of the country or province or city. Having a multicultural nation or city contributes much to a society.

Some have even go so far as to allege there is some conspiracy involved which is complete nonsense.

I fail to see how multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing. Go to any major city and you find people from all backgrounds and different ethnic groups. Why is that a bad thing? My city and our neighboring city is one of the most diverse and multicultural in the world. Being diverse and multicultural has contributed a great deal to our culture and history. I love walking down the street and hearing other languages and seeing people from many different backgrounds and countries.

If someone comes to your country legally either as an immigrant or a refugee seeking a better life and opportunity why is that bad. In addition said person gets a work visa and a job and later becomes a citizen, why is that not a good thing?

Furthermore everyone is a descendent of immigrants in some way no matter how far back you go. Unless you are from certain areas in Asia or the Middle East or Africa you are technically an immigrant.

What's your thoughts NSG? And is it Good or Bad?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:02 pm

Noice thread boi.
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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:03 pm

Korvale, I have just one question, we can dilly dally with diversity and what countries are or are not, but, do you see any actual flaws with being a country of diversity and multiculturalism?

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Postby Benuty » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:I've seen and heard comments recently here and elsewhere regarding changing demographics and areas becoming more multicultural and diverse is a bad thing. That somehow it undermines the concept of a nation or is somehow destructive to the culture of the country or province or city. Having a multicultural nation or city contributes much to a society.

Some have even go so far as to allege there is some conspiracy involved which is complete nonsense.

I fail to see how multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing. Go to any major city and you find people from all backgrounds and different ethnic groups. Why is that a bad thing? My city and our neighboring city is one of the most diverse and multicultural in the world. Being diverse and multicultural has contributed a great deal to our culture and history. I love walking down the street and hearing other languages and seeing people from many different backgrounds and countries.

If someone comes to your country legally either as an immigrant or a refugee seeking a better life and opportunity why is that bad. In addition said person gets a work visa and a job and later becomes a citizen, why is that not a good thing?

Furthermore everyone is a descendent of immigrants in some way no matter how far back you go. Unless you are from certain areas in Asia or the Middle East or Africa you are technically an immigrant.

What's your thoughts NSG? And is it Good or Bad?


Alright I underlined a part that I found somewhat questionable what exactly do you mean by that?
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Keuliseu wrote:Korvale, I have just one question, we can dilly dally with diversity and what countries are or are not, but, do you see any actual flaws with being a country of diversity and multiculturalism?

EDIT: yeah, im a noob, yeah i dont know if you can or how to tag people


What diversity? There wont be none in time thats the point diverse societies are only temporary eventually a mixed monoculture dominates like in Brazil or the Dominican Republic or the minority dominates like what will happen in the West decades from now.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Korvale wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's also derived from European and Indigenous cultures.
Also, Pardos are mixed, not just African descended


In essence its a black country

No, in essence, it's highly ethnically mixed
Korvale wrote:as they the pardo side more with their black minority than the white minority

Source/proof?
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:06 pm

Depends on what you mean. Diversity ain’t good or bad inherently. Multiculturalism can be great if there’s a uniting national identity and there’s a good deal of intermingling between cultural groups. Segregation, self imposed or imposed on others, is the enemy here.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:07 pm

Korvale wrote:the minority dominates like what will happen in the West decades from now.

What do you mean?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:08 pm

Korvale wrote:the minority dominates like what will happen in the West decades from now.

Huh?
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:10 pm

I fail to see how it's an inherently good thing.
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:11 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Korvale wrote:the minority dominates like what will happen in the West decades from now.

Huh?


California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:11 pm

Ors Might wrote:Depends on what you mean. Diversity ain’t good or bad inherently. Multiculturalism can be great if there’s a uniting national identity and there’s a good deal of intermingling between cultural groups. Segregation, self imposed or imposed on others, is the enemy here.

I mean if you have two groups that both want each other to "fuck off" from each others area without making it a law I can't exactly see it as a negative. Especially if the groups historically hate each other's guts, and any other method might cause violence.
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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:13 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Huh?


California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.

You can go to prison in any country for going to lengths to "offend" someone. Such as assault

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Postby Benuty » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:14 pm

Keuliseu wrote:
Korvale wrote:
California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.

You can go to prison in any country for going to lengths to "offend" someone. Such as assault

Wouldn't that be battery? At least as I understand assault is the intent, and battery is the action of said intent, but I could be wrong.
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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:15 pm

Benuty wrote:
Keuliseu wrote:You can go to prison in any country for going to lengths to "offend" someone. Such as assault

Wouldn't that be battery? At least as I understand assault is the intent, and battery is the action of said intent, but I could be wrong.

maybe, not a law student ;p, i wonder if information on his trial was public and we could see what he was charged with

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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:16 pm

Keuliseu wrote:
Korvale wrote:
California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.

You can go to prison in any country for going to lengths to "offend" someone. Such as assault


Ok now find me a black brit doing an anti-muslim action and getting arrested, oh wait Im sorry only whites get racisted in your draconian nation where you cant even have knives or free TV.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:17 pm

Korvale wrote: I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes

I don't stick my fingers in anyone's eyes, I really don't know what you are insinuating here.

Korvale wrote:and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K

Source for that ridiculous claim please.

Korvale wrote:so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.

I know you are probably trying to be "edgy" or something, but it just comes across as being a bit desperate to make waves for no reason whatsoever.
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Postby Wedonland » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:18 pm

Well, changing demographics can undermine a country or even an entire ethnic/race group the more dramatic the change in demographics occur. There is also the concern of political power and with the ~90% of African-Americans and even Hispanics too, voting only Democrats in US where I live. However, I will just admit instead that is more about ideology than race. The consequences of changing demographics aren't even always strictly driven from racial/ethnic/culture by itself either.

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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:19 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Korvale wrote: I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes

I don't stick my fingers in anyone's eyes, I really don't know what you are insinuating here.

Korvale wrote:and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K

Source for that ridiculous claim please.

Korvale wrote:so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.

I know you are probably trying to be "edgy" or something, but it just comes across as being a bit desperate to make waves for no reason whatsoever.


It means you white brits have a tendency to madly deny your diversity wont end in islamic monoculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tinue.html

Read it and weep you WILL be muslim majority by 2100.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:19 pm

Korvale wrote:Ok now find me a black brit doing an anti-muslim action and getting arrested, oh wait Im sorry only whites get racisted in your draconian nation where you cant even have knives or free TV.

What on earth are you even talking about? It's just a jumble of disjointed nonsensical concepts.
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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:19 pm

Korvale wrote:
Keuliseu wrote:You can go to prison in any country for going to lengths to "offend" someone. Such as assault


Ok now find me a black brit doing an anti-muslim action and getting arrested, oh wait Im sorry only whites get racisted in your draconian nation where you cant even have knives or free TV.

maybe it just doesnt happen as much as you want it too happen. and you can have knives. where they belong. in the kitchen
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:20 pm

Korvale wrote:It means you white brits have a tendency to madly deny your diversity wont end in islamic monoculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tinue.html

Read it and weep you WILL be muslim majority by 2100.

Yeah. I told you in another thread about using trashy tabloid newspapers as sources. Try again.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:22 pm

Kramanica wrote:I fail to see how it's an inherently good thing.

why is not a good thing?

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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:22 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I don't stick my fingers in anyone's eyes, I really don't know what you are insinuating here.


Source for that ridiculous claim please.


I know you are probably trying to be "edgy" or something, but it just comes across as being a bit desperate to make waves for no reason whatsoever.


It means you white brits have a tendency to madly deny your diversity wont end in islamic monoculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tinue.html

Read it and weep you WILL be muslim majority by 2100.

i cannot find in the article where it says that, what i can find is this; Taking the projection to a more uncertain distance, the White British population would cease to be the majority in the UK by the late 2060s.

Secondly, the mail? really? like. the daily mail? do you know how many times they have to correct their own articles because they are forced too by journalism standards companies for blatantly lying?

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