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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:33 pm

Source | The Independent

French President Emmanuel Macron has vowed to plough ahead with a campaign promise to reintroduce compulsory military service to France nearly two decades after it was scrapped.

During his election campaign Mr Macron pledged to give all young people “a direct experience of military life with its know-how and demands” and said restoring national service would inspire patriotism and social cohesion.

Between 600,000 and 800,000 young people are year would face military training and spend at least a month with the armed forces – at great cost to the French state.

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Honestly, I can't recall this campaign pledge coming up in English language discourse on the last French presidential election. I'm a bit surprised, but given Russian bellicosity, it's not surprising that Macron would lean on the old French tradition of conscription to get ahead of the curve this time. Of course, it's going to be expensive, and won't provide any immediate boon in national security beyond providing a mass of reservists that can be mobilized in the future. But it's also strangely out of step with Macron's Europhilia to bring back such a central pillar of nationalism like the citizen-army.

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Postby Donut section » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 pm

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:42 pm

Boo hiss France boo hiss.

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Conscription sounds like a good idea in peace time until a thousand thousand young people are drafted to die in an honorless war.
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Postby Aellex » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:44 pm

That's actually not true, first off Macron isn't bringing back conscription because it never actually was cancelled to begin with, merely "indefinitely suspended".

Secondly, the only thing Macron want to do (and has yet to actually achieve) is to create a "national service" that would essentially be a three to six months (the former being more likely than the latter as students syndicates and deputies alike are already both bitching about it) long civic service that would include some time during which the people performing it would lend an hand to the soldiers in the barracks but they in no way would be living or actually working with them.
All that's going to happen is that we're going to requisition the youth for one to two trimester to slave away for free for the State, not to actually learn basic military skills.

Again, let me repeat that; it's not a military service, it's a civic service. Those are Macron's very words :
«Ce service n'est pas un service militaire, même si j'ai souhaité qu'on puisse y prévoir l'ouverture à la chose militaire, c'est pour cela qu'il est national», a expliqué le président devant le parterre de journalistes. Et d'ajouter: «Sa forme pourra aussi être civique».

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Postby The Transhuman Union » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:46 pm

Unleash 21st century Napoleon pls?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:49 pm

While it is expensive, it will take an whole years group out of the job market reducing unemployment.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:52 pm

This is a good first step for France, but unfortunately- they'd be better off NOT doing this at this point.

The reason is because France isn't exclusively French anymore like it was in 1945. The French government has most unfortunately let in a bunch of Algerians, North Africans, and other people from inferior countries such as Morocco. None of these people can be trusted to serve the interests of the French state. Except for perhaps, those in the French Foreign Legion. People in that unit are at least vetted for loyalty and are of a higher caliber of potential.
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Postby Aellex » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:53 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:While it is expensive, it will take an whole years group out of the job market reducing unemployment.

Will it? Because most people who're studying in the superior will try and probably manage to dodge it (I sure as hell don't plan to play this masquerade if I can avoid to myself) and those who don't will just be occupied for three to six months and they're going to need to be compensated monetarily too.
It just sounds like an utter waste of money, to be honest.
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Postby The Transhuman Union » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:54 pm

Saiwania wrote:This is a good first step for France, but unfortunately- they'd be better off NOT doing this at this point.

The reason is because France isn't exclusively French anymore like it was in 1945. The French government has most unfortunately let in a bunch of Algerians, North Africans, and other people from inferior countries such as Morocco. None of these people can be trusted to serve the interests of the French state. Except for perhaps, those in the French Foreign Legion. People in that unit are at least vetted for loyalty and are of a higher caliber of potential.


Why you consider them to be inferior countries? No wonder they are coming to France, as they were former French colonies to begin with.
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Postby Borinsa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:55 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:While it is expensive, it will take an whole years group out of the job market reducing unemployment.

Or they could just stop being socialist...maybe that could get unemployment down
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Postby Borinsa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:58 pm

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Saiwania wrote:This is a good first step for France, but unfortunately- they'd be better off NOT doing this at this point.

The reason is because France isn't exclusively French anymore like it was in 1945. The French government has most unfortunately let in a bunch of Algerians, North Africans, and other people from inferior countries such as Morocco. None of these people can be trusted to serve the interests of the French state. Except for perhaps, those in the French Foreign Legion. People in that unit are at least vetted for loyalty and are of a higher caliber of potential.


Why you consider them to be inferior countries? No wonder they are coming to France, as they were former French colonies to begin with.


They're inferior countries because they are theocracies.
We don't need theocrats in the west.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:58 pm

And here I was thinking I liked ALL of Macron's Views. To be a hundred percent, conscription would kill education (college-age, going to the military), kill the jobs, (job-age, going to the military), and making france a much more militaristic place than it should be. It's THAT far away from Russia.
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Why you consider them to be inferior countries? No wonder they are coming to France, as they were former French colonies to begin with.


They're inferior countries because they are theocracies.
We don't need theocrats in the west.


Uhhh last time I checked, Tunisia is a democracy, and Algeria is one of the most women-friendly Muslim states.
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Postby Borinsa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:01 pm

The South Falls wrote:And here I was thinking I liked ALL of Macron's Views. To be a hundred percent, conscription would kill education (college-age, going to the military), kill the jobs, (job-age, going to the military), and making france a much more militaristic place than it should be. It's THAT far away from Russia.


I don't know, atleast it would make the libretards who get conscripted cry.
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Postby Borinsa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:03 pm

The Transhuman Union wrote:
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They're inferior countries because they are theocracies.
We don't need theocrats in the west.


Uhhh last time I checked, Tunisia is a democracy, and Algeria is one of the most women-friendly Muslim states.


Homosexual acts get 14 years in prison there
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:04 pm

Why can't they just offer military training at affordable fees, for that matter?

His campaign platform is ridiculous. It would be one thing if it were to revitalize the French economy through military expansion or something.

What the fuck is his point?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:04 pm

Meh.
Without proper investment in veterans and mental health it's a terrible idea, france seems like it might do that though.
If it actually causes social cohesion, great, if it doesn't... it's a terrible idea.

Disgruntled or radicalized ex-military personelle are a major source of terrorist training, equipment, and participation. The training conscription offers will be useless to most citizens, and only useful to those who want to join the army or join a paramilitary/terrorist organization.

If it's done to startle the bear, then it might be worth it even with an uptick in terrorism/terrorist efficiency. But He explicitly said it was for social cohesion, and i'm just not convinced the army actually does that for non-normative persons.

In addition, given the rise of the far-right in Europe, i'm doubly convinced this is probably a bad idea, and widespread military units and training may lead to far-right terror cells or worse, militarized political organizations.

If the primary purpose is just to rattle the russians, then fine, I get it. Otherwise... bad idea.
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Uhhh last time I checked, Tunisia is a democracy, and Algeria is one of the most women-friendly Muslim states.


Homosexual acts get 14 years in prison there


How does that prove that they are theocracies? Sure, they have some Muslim values such as homophobia, but that doesn't prove your point.
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Postby Borinsa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:08 pm

The Transhuman Union wrote:
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Homosexual acts get 14 years in prison there


How does that prove that they are theocracies? Sure, they have some Muslim values such as homophobia, but that doesn't prove your point.


They're homophobic. That alone is enough to not want them bringing their ideas into a civilized country.
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Postby Aellex » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:09 pm

The Transhuman Union wrote:Algeria is one of the most women-friendly Muslim states.

Which isn't saying a lot, tbf.
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Borinsa wrote:
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How does that prove that they are theocracies? Sure, they have some Muslim values such as homophobia, but that doesn't prove your point.


They're homophobic. That alone is enough to not want them bringing their ideas into a civilized country.


Right! Let's deport all Russian immigrants in America because their government doesn't support LGBT rights!
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Aellex wrote:
The Transhuman Union wrote:Algeria is one of the most women-friendly Muslim states.

Which isn't saying a lot, tbf.


That's sadly true...
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:12 pm

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The South Falls wrote:And here I was thinking I liked ALL of Macron's Views. To be a hundred percent, conscription would kill education (college-age, going to the military), kill the jobs, (job-age, going to the military), and making france a much more militaristic place than it should be. It's THAT far away from Russia.


I don't know, atleast it would make the libretards who get conscripted cry.

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:14 pm

Donut section wrote:So they will finally have the ability to keep criminal migrants out?


Yeah, Russians especially.

It could also be he's ramping up for a campaign against a country.
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