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Arkhall
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Authoritarian Democracy

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Postby Arkhall » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:36 am

I was thinking that a good thing to have would be comment tags, so you could keep notes inside factbooks of what does what, or what you need to add later, without actually adding to the viewable factbook, just like comments in HTML. Just like [comment]This text isn't viewable in the actual factbook[/comment] or like [!!]this is a comment[/!!]. I dunno what the format would be, but I'd personally find a comment tag useful.

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Kenmoria
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Kenmoria » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:16 am

I would be in favour of this, it seems like something that could be very helpful for players who write very detailed fact books for multiple nations.
A representative democracy with a parliament of 535 seats
Currently centre-right on economy but centre-left on social issues
Located in Europe and border France to the right and Spain below
NS stats and policies are not canon, use the factbooks
Not in the WA despite coincidentally following all resolutions
This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts our democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

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Carstantinopipal
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Carstantinopipal » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:35 am

It could be added into formatting templates to explain where to put information

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East Estariken
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby East Estariken » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:00 am

Carstantinopipal wrote:It could be added into formatting templates to explain where to put information

Precisely. Notekeeping and guides would be way easier this way.
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Wolfram and Hart
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Postby Wolfram and Hart » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:20 pm

*Clicks 'Like' button*
Yeah, would be very handy when you have a bunch of over-complicated BBCode!

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Sad-States
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Sad-States » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:12 pm

I would highly appreciate if this were ever added :clap:
It would make maintaining factbooks I haven't touched in forever so much easier if I was able to comment/add notes on things for future references.
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Mr Conservative
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Mr Conservative » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:15 pm

Would the comments be seen in the "raw" version of the factbook?

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Amnesty Recruiter
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Amnesty Recruiter » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:39 pm

Mr Conservative wrote:Would the comments be seen in the "raw" version of the factbook?

/shrug, maybe? I don't see why they wouldn't, though.

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Sad-States
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Postby Sad-States » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:03 pm

Mr Conservative wrote:Would the comments be seen in the "raw" version of the factbook?

I would say so. If a feature like this were ever to be made and it was open to the entire public of NS; having only the mods being able to see these said comments would mean that they would also have to direct most of their time in finding users who would abuse it by posting inappropriate comments in factbooks.

I suggest that users should be able to view comments if they were ever added to the game because it would make things a lot more swifter with reporting and so.

Just my two cents though, I would reckon that a feature like this isn't that high in priority. I'm not a mod or anything, so I honestly don't know.
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Amnesty Recruiter
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Amnesty Recruiter » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:36 pm

Sad-States wrote:
Mr Conservative wrote:Would the comments be seen in the "raw" version of the factbook?

I would say so. If a feature like this were ever to be made and it was open to the entire public of NS; having only the mods being able to see these said comments would mean that they would also have to direct most of their time in finding users who would abuse it by posting inappropriate comments in factbooks.

I suggest that users should be able to view comments if they were ever added to the game because it would make things a lot more swifter with reporting and so.

Just my two cents though, I would reckon that a feature like this isn't that high in priority. I'm not a mod or anything, so I honestly don't know.

Might not be high in priority, but I also can't see it being too difficult to implement.

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USS Monitor
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19th Century Iron Steamship

Postby USS Monitor » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:54 pm

Sad-States wrote:
Mr Conservative wrote:Would the comments be seen in the "raw" version of the factbook?

I would say so. If a feature like this were ever to be made and it was open to the entire public of NS; having only the mods being able to see these said comments would mean that they would also have to direct most of their time in finding users who would abuse it by posting inappropriate comments in factbooks.

I suggest that users should be able to view comments if they were ever added to the game because it would make things a lot more swifter with reporting and so.

Just my two cents though, I would reckon that a feature like this isn't that high in priority. I'm not a mod or anything, so I honestly don't know.


If it's not visible to other players, then it wouldn't be important to stop people from writing offensive things.
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Illerasi
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Illerasi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:03 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Sad-States wrote:I would say so. If a feature like this were ever to be made and it was open to the entire public of NS; having only the mods being able to see these said comments would mean that they would also have to direct most of their time in finding users who would abuse it by posting inappropriate comments in factbooks.

I suggest that users should be able to view comments if they were ever added to the game because it would make things a lot more swifter with reporting and so.

Just my two cents though, I would reckon that a feature like this isn't that high in priority. I'm not a mod or anything, so I honestly don't know.


If it's not visible to other players, then it wouldn't be important to stop people from writing offensive things.

*places entire communist manifesto in a factbook about free market capitalism*

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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:22 am

Illerasi wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
If it's not visible to other players, then it wouldn't be important to stop people from writing offensive things.

*places entire communist manifesto in a factbook about free market capitalism*

*places the entire collected works of Adam Smith in the middle of your communist manifesto*
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Alemputo
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Alemputo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:31 am

I don't know that I would want moderators to waste time fielding through endless comments to find ones that are abusive or spammy. Ito would definitely not be fair to them to have this forced upon them. They already do a lot of work and it is only fair to recognize that.

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Arkhall
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Arkhall » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:33 am

Alemputo wrote:I don't know that I would want moderators to waste time fielding through endless comments to find ones that are abusive or spammy. Ito would definitely not be fair to them to have this forced upon them. They already do a lot of work and it is only fair to recognize that.


I don't think you caught the bit where other people (probably) wouldn't see the comments. Like my original post, it'd be like HTML comments, only you can see them.

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The Awesome Blue Order
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Awesome Blue Order » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:43 pm

I think this is a great Idea, and I hope it gets added to NationStates :) !
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Anollasia
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Postby Anollasia » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:02 pm

Sounds like an interesting idea, like a little notebook to keep your plans. Though I think it should be called notes instead of comments, because comments are typically other people publicly commenting on something.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:59 am

If you keep copies of your factbooks offline as documents, too, then you could include the notes in those anyway.
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Our population is approximately 20 million. We do have a national government, although its role is strictly limited. Economy = thriving. Those aren't "biker gangs", they're our traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies'... and are generally respected, not feared.
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Arkhall » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:04 am

Bears Armed wrote:If you keep copies of your factbooks offline as documents, too, then you could include the notes in those anyway.


This is both more convenient and more efficient than that, though. Especially if you're writing a particularly long factbook and need to keep a lot of notes as you save and then go back to edit when you're formatting and whatnot.

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Bears Armed
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:09 am

Arkhall wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:If you keep copies of your factbooks offline as documents, too, then you could include the notes in those anyway.


This is both more convenient and more efficient than that, though. Especially if you're writing a particularly long factbook and need to keep a lot of notes as you save and then go back to edit when you're formatting and whatnot.

If you're writing a "particularly long" factbook then doing so offline, so you don't lose the contents if the site logs you out or some other glitch occurs, is probably a better idea than writing it directly in NS anyway.
The Confederated Clans of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Our population is approximately 20 million. We do have a national government, although its role is strictly limited. Economy = thriving. Those aren't "biker gangs", they're our traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies'... and are generally respected, not feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
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Amnesty Cartographer
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Amnesty Cartographer » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:30 pm

Bears Armed wrote:
Arkhall wrote:
This is both more convenient and more efficient than that, though. Especially if you're writing a particularly long factbook and need to keep a lot of notes as you save and then go back to edit when you're formatting and whatnot.

If you're writing a "particularly long" factbook then doing so offline, so you don't lose the contents if the site logs you out or some other glitch occurs, is probably a better idea than writing it directly in NS anyway.


That's fair. It'd still be good for writing templates and the like, and I'd use it for notekeeping regardless.

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Brandenbourg-Anhalt
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:41 pm

This is actually a great idea. It would make things so much easier. I hope that admins/mods will take this into consideration.
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Postby [violet] » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:08 pm

This idea is difficult to assess because two different flavours have been presented and people are saying they support it without saying which one.

If the idea is for comments that can only be seen by the author, it can't be used to share templates.

If the comments can be publicly seen in raw mode, there are some moderation implications.
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Kenmoria
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Kenmoria » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:16 am

[violet] wrote:This idea is difficult to assess because two different flavours have been presented and people are saying they support it without saying which one.

If the idea is for comments that can only be seen by the author, it can't be used to share templates.

If the comments can be publicly seen in raw mode, there are some moderation implications.

I would say visible to author only. This is because in templates italicised text could be used for the same effect.
A representative democracy with a parliament of 535 seats
Currently centre-right on economy but centre-left on social issues
Located in Europe and border France to the right and Spain below
NS stats and policies are not canon, use the factbooks
Not in the WA despite coincidentally following all resolutions
This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts our democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

For more information, read the factbooks here.

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The Dark Panther
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Dark Panther » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:43 am

Kenmoria wrote:
[violet] wrote:This idea is difficult to assess because two different flavours have been presented and people are saying they support it without saying which one.

If the idea is for comments that can only be seen by the author, it can't be used to share templates.

If the comments can be publicly seen in raw mode, there are some moderation implications.

I would say visible to author only. This is because in templates italicised text could be used for the same effect.


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