by Saiwania » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:08 pm
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by Senkaku » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:23 pm
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by Petrasylvania » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm
by Shaggtopia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:00 am
by Dahon the Alternative » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:48 am
Saiwania wrote:https://boingboing.net/2018/02/07/this-is-not-ok.html
https://www.economist.com/news/united-s ... ats-matter
One score and six years ago, Oklahoma passed this stupid law requiring a 75%+ majority in their state assembly to raise taxes, effectively making any tax cut that passes- permanent. The legislature of that state had an addiction for cutting taxes to give out corporate welfare to fossil fuel interests and to dabble in some "trickle down" supply side nonsense just as Kansas has done, and predictably- Oklahoma's government is now all out of money.
Oklahoma's K-12 teachers haven't received a pay raise in over a decade and is now 3rd worst in compensation for the entire US. That state can now only afford to pay said teachers by switching to a 4 day school week in 90+ districts, so teachers can work at Walmart to be able to pay rent.
Most teachers understandably, aren't finding these conditions to be acceptable- and are now fleeing the state in droves for better opportunities in neighboring or "better off" states such as Texas or Arkansas. The health insurance situation for Oklahoma teachers leaves much to be desired as well, because many of the plans under their "private" system are more expensive than what teachers are getting paid in salary.
It gets worse, Oklahoma's highway patrol isn't filling their gas tanks to full capacity to "help their state's cash flow." Drunk drivers are being ignored or let go because there isn't anyone to process their tickets anymore, and the state's prison system is nearing collapse. Many inmates will have to be released prematurely, there just aren't any funds left to keep most of them imprisoned.
With essential government services declining to such a steep extent, private businesses are leaving Oklahoma as well. The poorer Oklahoma becomes and the smaller that state's economy gets, the less appeal there is to "set up shop" there or to stick around. It is quite a pitiful state of affairs that is currently unfolding. It looks as if the state is dying just as Kansas was under Sam Brownback's stewardship.
What are your thoughts on this tragic situation? What in your opinion, is the best solution to fixing Oklahoma's problems to effectively turn that state around? Are the results of the policies followed in Oklahoma, further evidence of a massive, catastrophic, colossal failure of the Republican party's economic platform?
by Dahon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:02 am
by Senkaku » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:46 am
Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!
by Socialist Federal Slavia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:52 am
Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!
by Socialist Federal Slavia » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:54 am
by Dahon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:06 am
Senkaku wrote:Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!
As nice as it feels to indulge in this occasionally, don't come crying later about how it's so silly that those hicks just blindly hate all liberals even though we know what's good for them when you're out here talking smack like this.
by Bombadil » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:35 am
by Olthar » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:44 am
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:00 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:02 am
Senkaku wrote:Dahon wrote:Why can't Oklahomans pull themselves up by their bootstraps? They wanted this shit, right? Low taxes, low wages, low everything? Government practically in semipermanent idle (with the inevitable destruction of the evil Deep OK State incoming), Big Business untrammeled as the Lord God intended, organized labor in a collective commie coma -- the people of Oklahoma are finally free! Free to be poor! Free to be uneducated! Free to get sicker! Free to dawdle around doing a lotta nothing! Hurray for freedom! Callooh, callay!
As nice as it feels to indulge in this occasionally, don't come crying later about how it's so silly that those hicks just blindly hate all liberals even though we know what's good for them when you're out here talking smack like this.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:05 am
Senkaku wrote:So convince a 75%+ majority of the legislature to raise taxes. Shouldn't be so hard if shit's in such bad shape.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Phoenicaea » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:08 am
by Vassenor » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:12 am
Phoenicaea wrote:As observateur, it seems also to me your straight way to do so, it is to pass higher taxes with 3/4 of representatives. convince the legislature.
by Dahon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:51 am
by Phoenicaea » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:00 am
by Petrasylvania » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:46 am
by Sovaal » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:55 am
by Len Hyet » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:24 am
Petrasylvania wrote:So far, not a peep from self-professed libertarians.
by Sovaal » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:29 am
Len Hyet wrote:Petrasylvania wrote:So far, not a peep from self-professed libertarians.
Oklahoma: Spends way more than it takes in, eventually collapses due to insufficient income, a cornerstone of Libertarian policy holding that states need to slash spending in conjunction with slashing taxes
You: Lolbertarians amirite
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