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Beta 005: Black Market

Postby [violet] » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:18 pm

Beta 005b: Black Market: Raise cap, fix scaling, reweight

Proposed Change: (1) Increase maximum recordable size of Black Market by losing one significant digit of precision. Most nations will show a very minor difference due to rounding; nations with current Black Market sizes of 9,999,999,990,000,000, may show large increases as they are able to display their true scores. (2) Correct a mathematical error causing some nations with Black Markets that are a small percentage of their total GDP to exhibit opposite-than-expected results under certain conditions. Those nations can show a fairly large change in percentage terms (around -50%) although the effect in absolute terms is fairly small. (3) Increase the importance of Corruption, Law & Order funding, and Economic Freedom; decrease the importance of Political Freedom.
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Postby He Qixin » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 pm

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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 pm

Proposed Change: (3) Increase the importance of Corruption, Law & Order funding, and Economic Freedom; decrease the importance of Political Freedom.


Strongly support this change. My puppets are unfairly penalized with skyrocketing black markets when they go from Medium to Low political freedom levels.
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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:06 am

I would really like there to be a Black Market per Capita stat, like there is for other economic stats.

[violet] wrote:Proposed Change: (1) Increase maximum recordable size of Black Market by losing one significant digit of precision.
What kind of coding voodoo makes it necessary? Are you limited to a certain number of fixed-precision digits, so that adding more digits on the most-significant side requires knocking off digits on the least-significant side? If so, wouldn't you still run into trouble once nations hit a value of 10 times the current cap? Or is there a more convoluted reason behind this?

[violet] wrote:(3) Increase the importance of Corruption, Law & Order funding, and Economic Freedom; decrease the importance of Political Freedom.
Makes sense. Of course, Political Freedom affects Corruption, but I don't see how the black market would depend on Political Freedom except via Corruption.

Certain policy flags that have you banning goods should also affect the black market, though that may be included under Economic Freedom.

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Postby [violet] » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:55 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Are you limited to a certain number of fixed-precision digits, so that adding more digits on the most-significant side requires knocking off digits on the least-significant side? If so, wouldn't you still run into trouble once nations hit a value of 10 times the current cap?

Yep. But that will never ever happen.
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:51 pm

Trotterdam wrote:I would really like there to be a Black Market per Capita stat, like there is for other economic stats.

That would be nice, though as someone who's only been around a few years, I am biased against population-based stats :P
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Postby New Mushroom Kingdom » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:33 pm

I support this change, if only because it gives a nice 50% boost to my market's size. (Was the text supposed to say -50% or ~50%, by the way?)
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Postby Caelapes » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:38 pm

Trotterdam wrote:I would really like there to be a Black Market per Capita stat, like there is for other economic stats.

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Postby Dolor Mortis » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:31 pm

That would be good on nations who wish to increase or decrease Black market by increasing law&order.
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:16 am

A drop of 94.8%? That's a lot... Probably a lot more accurate too, though, considering how few things that people would actually want are illegal here.
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Postby Mingulay Isle » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:22 am

Bears Armed wrote:A drop of 94.8%? That's a lot... Probably a lot more accurate too, though, considering how few things that people would actually want are illegal here.

They're all just moving over here.

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Postby Fauxia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:01 pm

Bears Armed wrote:A drop of 94.8%? That's a lot... Probably a lot more accurate too, though, considering how few things that people would actually want are illegal here.
As a percentage of your GDP though, it’s already tiny.

Still, I love this change. The cap was annoying, even though I never reached it on any of my 10 million nations
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Postby Alemputo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:38 am

I definitely agree with this proposal, because real nations require more data to be sufficient at handling affairs. Corruption should be more important because with a lot it could have negative connotations on the overall political and civil freedoms. Good cause... Good cause...

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Postby Vulturret » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:44 am

This will impact some of my nations in a positive manner, I support this.
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Postby Merconitonitopia » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:59 am

>Increase the importance of ... Law & Order funding
yet still, without fail, my black market increases under this beta despite top 13% law enforcement. really gets the noggin joggin.
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Trotterdam wrote:I would really like there to be a Black Market per Capita stat, like there is for other economic stats.

yes lord say it louder for the people in the back

*clears throat - HE WANTS A BLACK MARKET PER CAPITA STAT, LIKE OTHER ECONOMIC STATS
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Postby Koem Kab » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:39 am

How come the the beta when it was released, i'd get a 15k boost in average income, now I have only an 8k boost.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:15 pm

For me, the change would lead to a 0.01% decrease in economic output. I can live with that.
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