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Should Felons be Allowed to Vote? Florida to Have Referendum

Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:24 am

This November in Florida the voting rights of 1.5 million people could be restored as their will be vote on a constitutional amendment to restore voting rights to felons. It needs 60 percent of the vote to pass. The amendment will not give those currently serving the right to vote, those on parole or probation or those guilty of crimes such as murder or sexual offenses.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fl ... 07ab01?r1h
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1 ... rom-voting

Florida is not the only state that disenfranchises felons. It occurs in many places and many analysts have said its a form of Jim Crow as is disproportionately affects non whites. I fully support this amendment and hope it passes. One should not be permanently barred from voting just because they've committed a crime. If you've served your time you should be able to vote. It makes no logical sense to bar someone from voted just because they committed a crime.

What's your thoughts NSG?
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Postby Topoliani » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:27 am

Nobody should have their voting rights restricted (except for anyone under 18) tbh.
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Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:28 am

Man, even as a Floridian myself, I don’t know how I didn’t know about this development.

All in all, I feel it has nothing to do with race, but I’m in full support of it- a vote won’t really harm anyone.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:28 am

Topoliani wrote:Nobody should have their voting rights restricted (except for anyone under 18) tbh.

I agree completely. If you are 18 and over you should be allowed to vote.

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Postby Etats confederes d Amerique » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:29 am

San Lumen wrote:This November in Florida the voting rights of 1.5 million people could be restored as their will be vote on a constitutional amendment to restore voting rights to felons. It needs 60 percent of the vote to pass. The amendment will not give those currently serving the right to vote, those on parole or probation or those guilty of crimes such as murder or sexual offenses.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fl ... 07ab01?r1h
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1 ... rom-voting

Florida is not the only state that disenfranchises felons. It occurs in many places and many analysts have said its a form of Jim Crow as is disproportionately affects non whites. I fully support this amendment and hope it passes. One should not be permanently barred from voting just because they've committed a crime. If you've served your time you should be able to vote. It makes no logical sense to bar someone from voted just because they committed a crime.

What's your thoughts NSG?

Well tough cheese on them they should have looked at the consequences of the crime before they did it and they should take it like an adult and just deal with it I say this should be taken to the SCOTUS and have it overturned

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:30 am

Doesn't go far enough, in my opinion. Prisons should have polling booths, as far as I'm concerned.
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Postby Shaggtopia » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:32 am

Neat, it seems reasonable at least to stop punishing an individual after they've cleared the bureaucracy of reform as any nation with a large pool of disenfranchised subjects invites an increase to direct action politics.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:33 am

Etats confederes d Amerique wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This November in Florida the voting rights of 1.5 million people could be restored as their will be vote on a constitutional amendment to restore voting rights to felons. It needs 60 percent of the vote to pass. The amendment will not give those currently serving the right to vote, those on parole or probation or those guilty of crimes such as murder or sexual offenses.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fl ... 07ab01?r1h
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1 ... rom-voting

Florida is not the only state that disenfranchises felons. It occurs in many places and many analysts have said its a form of Jim Crow as is disproportionately affects non whites. I fully support this amendment and hope it passes. One should not be permanently barred from voting just because they've committed a crime. If you've served your time you should be able to vote. It makes no logical sense to bar someone from voted just because they committed a crime.

What's your thoughts NSG?

Well tough cheese on them they should have looked at the consequences of the crime before they did it and they should take it like an adult and just deal with it I say this should be taken to the SCOTUS and have it overturned

It hasn't even been voted on yet. Why should someone whose served their time be permanently barred from voting?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:33 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Doesn't go far enough, in my opinion. Prisons should have polling booths, as far as I'm concerned.

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:33 am

Nah. Up to Florida though.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:33 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Doesn't go far enough, in my opinion. Prisons should have polling booths, as far as I'm concerned.

No I dont agree with that.

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:34 am

No adult, unless they have a registered mental incapacity, should be denied the right to vote

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:34 am

Arlenton wrote:Nah. Up to Florida though.

why not?

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Postby Skyhooked » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:35 am

If that makes people feel better, why not? Like votes decide anything...
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Postby Greater Kossackia » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:35 am

Etats confederes d Amerique wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This November in Florida the voting rights of 1.5 million people could be restored as their will be vote on a constitutional amendment to restore voting rights to felons. It needs 60 percent of the vote to pass. The amendment will not give those currently serving the right to vote, those on parole or probation or those guilty of crimes such as murder or sexual offenses.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fl ... 07ab01?r1h
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1 ... rom-voting

Florida is not the only state that disenfranchises felons. It occurs in many places and many analysts have said its a form of Jim Crow as is disproportionately affects non whites. I fully support this amendment and hope it passes. One should not be permanently barred from voting just because they've committed a crime. If you've served your time you should be able to vote. It makes no logical sense to bar someone from voted just because they committed a crime.

What's your thoughts NSG?

Well tough cheese on them they should have looked at the consequences of the crime before they did it and they should take it like an adult and just deal with it I say this should be taken to the SCOTUS and have it overturned

On what basis would SCOTUS overturn this? Further, what is the problem of restoring voting rights to people who have paid their debt to society according to the law? There's already an avenue to do so, though it is so clogged and overburdened that more people join the queue than get an answer each year (and more people in it die than get an answer each year).

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San Lumen wrote:
Etats confederes d Amerique wrote:Well tough cheese on them they should have looked at the consequences of the crime before they did it and they should take it like an adult and just deal with it I say this should be taken to the SCOTUS and have it overturned

It hasn't even been voted on yet. Why should someone whose served their time be permanently barred from voting?
voting is a privilege not a right when you commit a crime and are labeled as a felon you lose rights that you once had. I agree with Etats confederes d Amerique

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Postby Carmonia » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:36 am

Of course! What’s the point of taking their right in the first place?

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:36 am

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Nah. Up to Florida though.

why not?

Best not to have them have a say in making laws for others, when they don't follow current laws.

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:38 am

Gives me an idea to help solve overcrowding in prisons. Don't sentence people for victimless crimes. Just take away their right to vote.

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Postby Skyhooked » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:40 am

Arlenton wrote:Gives me an idea to help solve overcrowding in prisons. Don't sentence people for victimless crimes. Just take away their right to vote.


Oh, come on! Why stop there? Just legalize all victimless crimes.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:41 am

EER OT wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It hasn't even been voted on yet. Why should someone whose served their time be permanently barred from voting?
voting is a privilege not a right when you commit a crime and are labeled as a felon you lose rights that you once had. I agree with Etats confederes d Amerique

so someone whose served say a year in prison should be barred from voting for life?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:41 am

Arlenton wrote:Gives me an idea to help solve overcrowding in prisons. Don't sentence people for victimless crimes. Just take away their right to vote.

thats even worse.

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
EER OT wrote:voting is a privilege not a right when you commit a crime and are labeled as a felon you lose rights that you once had. I agree with Etats confederes d Amerique

so someone whose served say a year in prison should be barred from voting for life?

If the state they resides in says so, yeah.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Doesn't go far enough, in my opinion. Prisons should have polling booths, as far as I'm concerned.

No I dont agree with that.

Why not?
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Postby Greater Kossackia » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:42 am

EER OT wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It hasn't even been voted on yet. Why should someone whose served their time be permanently barred from voting?
voting is a privilege not a right when you commit a crime and are labeled as a felon you lose rights that you once had. I agree with Etats confederes d Amerique

If you're going to make a case for semantics, then you should probably be careful to maintain a consistency in the use of terms yourself.

Bare in mind, this doesn't restore voting rights or privileges or whatever semantic you prefer to those still serving their term. This is specifically restoring the vote to people who have been convicted of a felony that is not murder or sexual offense after they have completed there sentence.

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