Identity Politics

[Thermodolia]

I’d recommend that you get a blog. Furthermore IdPol is a horrible shitstain on our democratic process. And I say this as a centrist nationalist with syndicalist leanings.

[Thermodolia]

I’d recommend that you get a blog. Furthermore IdPol is a horrible shitstain on our democratic process. And I say this as a centrist nationalist with syndicalist leanings.

So what would you suggest ? I'm damn tired of hearing the bloated Republicans when they are doing the exact thing they are criticizing over !!

Getting rid of IdPol based political policies. Basically no more calling people racist because they don’t want to take in refugees and institute import tariffs.

[Sriker]

I’d recommend that you get a blog. Furthermore IdPol is a horrible shitstain on our democratic process. And I say this as a centrist nationalist with syndicalist leanings.

when I saw syndicalist I yelled O N E B I G U N I O N

[Thermodolia]

Getting rid of IdPol based political policies. Basically no more calling people racist because they don’t want to take in refugees and institute import tariffs.

I wouldn't have a problem with that. But how many African-Americans are going to join the Republicans, eh ?

Who said anything about blacks joining the republicans? This is what I’m talking about when I say IdPol. Get rid of the stupid idea of calling all blacks in America African-Americans. The majority aren’t from Africa and all it does is divide us. They are Americans

[The Sherpa Empire]

You know the population of the US is more than 60% white, yeah?

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'm going to hire a barbershop quartet to sing the words "all politics is identity politics" so I can just post that every time anyone posts a thread on this.

Actually, no I won't. Because if they get a single penny in royalties each time it's relevant I'll go bankrupt within the month.

[The Parkus Empire]

I'm going to hire a barbershop quartet to sing the words "all politics is identity politics" so I can just post that every time anyone posts a thread on this.

Actually, no I won't. Because if they get a single penny in royalties each time it's relevant I'll go bankrupt within the month.

This

[Thermodolia]

You know the population of the US is more than 60% white, yeah?

Sure I do. But is or is not the Democratic Party number of whites falling ?

Why are you constantly bringing race into this? Race shouldn’t be a factor in the majority of things

[Osnil Returns]

I just want to mention two things about this nonsense that bothers me.
1. The only Presidential Candidates on the Democratic ticket were an old white man and an old white woman.
2. The Candidates on the Republican ticket were quite varied: Cruz and Rubio (both Hispanics), Ben Carson (African-American), a woman (don't remember her name), and Trump.

You're telling me that the Republicans aren't varied?

[Absurdity]

Simply because the majority of Republicans are white Christians does not mean that they actively support the same BS religious, racial, and ethnic collectivism that the left supports.

[Ostroeuropa]

I’d recommend that you get a blog. Furthermore IdPol is a horrible shitstain on our democratic process. And I say this as a centrist nationalist with syndicalist leanings.

Comrade.

I’d recommend that you get a blog. Furthermore IdPol is a horrible shitstain on our democratic process. And I say this as a centrist nationalist with syndicalist leanings.

So what would you suggest ? I'm damn tired of hearing the bloated Republicans when they are doing the exact thing they are criticizing over !!

The problem isn't identity politics, it's identity politics that demonizes an outgroup. The republicans do this to gays, muslims, and transgendered persons, and the democrats do it to whites and males. There has been nothing from the democrats that addresses mens issues, nor the issues facing white communities, and only constant propaganda and demonization of them, including the repetition of ideological frameworks constructed to deny their issues the right to a space in the movement.

The republicans are at least more straightforward and less insidious in their idpol, and tend to be fairly blunt about what they want and why they don't like people, rather than trying to cast it as equality and fairness.

More than that, under Trumps run, they made active attempts to include minorities and noted the collapse of inner cities, and tried to appeal a bit to gays and LGBT folk, and while these haven't turned into actual policy, it's noteworthy that the democrats ran that election blasting "Bernie bros" and "Angry white males" the whole time. Beyond that, the republicans in power acknowledge minority issues and just blame it on some silly shit rather than racism, rather than flying into utter hysterics when someone brings up mens issues like the democrats in power do.

In terms of Idpol, on the right, it's religiously caused. On the left, it's ideological.
The right can't exactly rewrite their bible. The left has literally no excuse for this shit.

The reason most whites lean republican along with most males is that they don't support a party actively hostile to them. Sanders would have won because he would have addressed economic concerns to balance out the prog-prejudice fuckery, but with Clinton? No fucking chance.

Same reason minorities vote democrat. Because the republicans will fuck them over.

Difference is, the majority of democrats are in utter fucking denial over it.

If you want a party that isn't racist and sexist, the democrats need to provide a platform for mens issues (From mens perspective, not a neutered yes-man to feminism like menslib, that has achieved precisely fuck all in decades because it cannot actually engage in discourse and just repeats gynocentric nonsense) and issues facing white communities alongside the platforms they provided for other groups.

Or, the republicans can drop the religious fundamentalism.

It's a race between who can pull that off first and as such win, or who'll temper that prejudiced nonsense with economic reform and win.
Hence, Trump.

The democrats will continue to lose as long as they back progressive social policy and neoliberal economic policy against a republican party using the rhetoric of substantial economic reform, even alongside theocracy.

[Thermodolia]

I just want to mention two things about this nonsense that bothers me.
1. The only Presidential Candidates on the Democratic ticket were an old white man and an old white woman.
2. The Candidates on the Republican ticket were quite varied: Cruz and Rubio (both Hispanics), Ben Carson (African-American), a woman (don't remember her name), and Trump.

You're telling me that the Republicans aren't varied?

This is exactly why IdPol is stupid. We don’t need a massive dick mesuring contest about who has more minorities.

[Vassenor]

Simply because the majority of Republicans are white Christians does not mean that they actively support the same BS religious, racial, and ethnic collectivism that the left supports.

What the hell is that meant to mean?

[Thermodolia]

Why are you constantly bringing race into this? Race shouldn’t be a factor in the majority of things

True. I was just trying to figure out the makeup of the parties. If we have managed true diversity, then neither the Democrats nor the Republicans should have more African-Americans or European-Americans. But, again, that needs to be proven.

Why should the racial makeup matter? It doesn’t. You are a follower of IdPol and it shows. There is no need to put the damn hyphen in front of the word American. It doesn’t help anything.

Minorities don’t want empty platitudes but actual guarantees. They want policies that will actually allow them to move up front their lot in life.

[Absurdity]

But is or is not the Democratic Party number of whites falling ?

If that's true, it's because the left is growing increasingly more hostile to white people, particularly straight white males.

[Aillyria]

How about people stop acting like special snowflakes and think as a nation.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why should the racial makeup matter? It doesn’t. You are a follower of IdPol and it shows. There is no need to put the damn hyphen in front of the word American. It doesn’t help anything.

Minorities don’t want empty platitudes but actual guarantees. They want policies that will actually allow them to move up front their lot in life.

I have to ask the same question: Find anywhere that Tump did something positive for minorities ? Anything at all ?

Following on from republicans in Alabama (I think it was alabama, in any case, every single democrat state senator voted against the repeal, and most repulicans for it.) Trumps administration nationally overturned feminist campus kangaroo courts and assisted men on campus, where they are a minority of students, and especially minority men who were disproportionately targeted by these tribunals.

So Trump defended the due process rights of men and especially minority men from the feminist left.

These tribunals were already under fire by the judiciary for violations of due process. They were started under Obama, in response to the latest feminist rape "blood libel" attempt to cast rape as something disproportionately male perpetrated, the debunked "1/4 on campus" study.

I have other examples if you want. The problem is that the left likes to up and pretend its bigotry is the same thing as equality, something the right doesn't bother with.

[Absurdity]

Simply because the majority of Republicans are white Christians does not mean that they actively support the same BS religious, racial, and ethnic collectivism that the left supports.

What the hell is that meant to mean?

It's pretty obvious.

[The Black Forrest]

What the hell is that meant to mean?

It's pretty obvious.

Not really.

[Engineerinia]

Most of the time, people that criticize the use of Identity Politics are Republicans. Let's take a closer look at it first of all. Identity politics is defined as " a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics. " Now that we have the definition, let's take a closer look at the Republican Party. More than " 6 in 10 Republicans today are white conservatives". That adds up to 60% of Republicans are European -Americans. 49% of all Republicans are religious. ( it can be read at http://news.gallup.com/poll/118937/Repu ... gious.aspx)
Excuse me ? There 1. European-American and 2. religious. That sounds like an identity to me. The truth is that Republicans are overwhelmingly Caucasian and religious. if they were a diverse party, we would see that diversity and not see it mostly the Republicans being not European-Americans or not religious people. The truth is unmasked. They ARE a 'Identity Politics" party !!
So do you have a problem with "Identity Politics" ? How can we have more diversity in the Republican Party ? I want to hear from you NSers !!



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Why does it matter? If the majority of religious people support a party then why does it matter? Why should anything need to be diversified?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why should the racial makeup matter? It doesn’t. You are a follower of IdPol and it shows. There is no need to put the damn hyphen in front of the word American. It doesn’t help anything.

Minorities don’t want empty platitudes but actual guarantees. They want policies that will actually allow them to move up front their lot in life.

I have to ask the same question: Find anywhere that Tump did something positive for minorities ? Anything at all ?

The tax cuts were beneficial for minorities.

[Kyrinasaj]

All you showed with the statistics is that Republicans generally are the American population, over half of them are white, and half are Christian. Not so much of a gotcha to me.

The thing to me is, politics is driving by identity. Whether it is your party, your ethnic group, your gender. It doesn't matter. Anyone will find a group they will almost tribally connect to. So, pursuing the interests of your group is fine by me. But forcing diversity is just a no-no. How do you even want to do that?

[The Black Forrest]

But is or is not the Democratic Party number of whites falling ?

If that's true, it's because the left is growing increasingly more hostile to white people, particularly straight white males.

Are they now.

Where can I go to observe this?

[Ostroeuropa]

Why should the racial makeup matter? It doesn’t. You are a follower of IdPol and it shows. There is no need to put the damn hyphen in front of the word American. It doesn’t help anything.

Minorities don’t want empty platitudes but actual guarantees. They want policies that will actually allow them to move up front their lot in life.

I have to ask the same question: Find anywhere that Tump did something positive for minorities ? Anything at all ?

I got another one. I've decided i'm going to keep posting them just to drive the point home.

He openly and proudly criticized Islamic homophobia and promised to protect LGBT persons from religious violence, rather than pretended there wasn't a problem with the majority of the Islamic community on this issue because of some fucked up progressive stack nonsense, thereby assisting LGBT folk and especially Islamic LGBT folk to start discussing it more freely.

[Ostroeuropa]

Trumps administration overturned feminist campus kangaroo courts and assisted men on campus, where they are a minority of students, and especially minority men who were disproportionately targeted by these tribunals.

So Trump defended the due process rights of men and especially minority men from the feminist left.

These tribunals were already under fire by the judiciary for violations of due process. They were started under Obama, in response to the latest feminist rape "blood libel" attempt to cast rape as something disproportionately male perpetrated, the debunked "1/4 on campus" study.

I have other examples if you want. The problem is that the left likes to up and pretend its bigotry is the same thing as equality, something the right doesn't bother with.

Hmm..that's interesting. I would agree that there should be as many men as woman. However, you should know he set out to lock out poor students : https://newrepublic.com/article/133765/ ... ts-college

Sure, but you specifically wanted to talk about Idpol and minority demographics, not economics.
The fact remains that in terms of actual policy implemented, the left is worse on this topic in recent decades, as the right can't get anything to stick, but the racism and sexism of the left is institutionally approved of.

"There should be as many men as women in university" is true, but is missing the point. the point was he defended their due process rights from a majority hostile to that demographic, who were creating a climate of fear and lynch mob attitudes on campus that ultimately reduced higher educations appeal to men and victimized those there already, including in some noteworthy cases, male rape victims of female perpetrators who the feminist tribunals expelled for being raped.

https://www.watchdog.org/issues/educati ... 041b5.html

Example one.

In one of the most absurd cases of campus sexual assault to date, a male student was expelled after he “blacked out” and had oral sex performed on him.

The woman who performed the act would, nearly two years later, accuse him of sexual assault, even though the evidence heavily suggested it was the male student who was the victim.

When was the last time a democrat had to intervene against lynch mobs that targetted rape victims for being the wrong type of demographic?
When it was democrats doing the lynching, probably, so... never.