New California's Secession From (Old) California

[Farnhamia]

Sauces:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-declares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/

So another talk about secession but this time instead of leaving the US the people want to leave a state. The rural counties of California want to leave the State and form the state of New California this would leave the Coastal Urban counties that house cities such as San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, and San Diego to be what is left of the state of California.

My thoughts in regards to the statehood aspect is if they want it let them do it at least it wouldn't be like Puerto Rico, or D.C. vying for statehood. Plus it would give people better options when moving to the West coast if these people can show they can run effectively and efficiently. So what do you people think? Especially those who were born or lived or still live in California

[Lordshill]

Bleed the state dry to cancel out all the investment of the American (especially rural) populace over the last 150 years and then throw them out of the union

[OoGa Bawo]

I don't believe in it california may be rich but if they are liberal then staying with the US would be better for them

[San Lumen]

Sauces:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-california-declares-independence-from-rest-of-state/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-declares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/

So another talk about secession but this time instead of leaving the US the people want to leave a state. The rural counties of California want to leave the State and form the state of New California this would leave the Coastal Urban counties that house cities such as San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, and San Diego to be what is left of the state of California.

My thoughts in regards to the statehood aspect is if they want it let them do it at least it wouldn't be like Puerto Rico, or D.C. vying for statehood. Plus it would give people better options when moving to the West coast if these people can show they can run effectively and efficiently. So what do you people think? Especially those who were born or lived or still live in California

it will never be approved by Sacramento. States cannot secede from the union nor be formed from another without their consent.

Plus those rural counties would never survive on their own.

[Sovaal]

If they can get the approval of the state government, sure. Which they won’t, however.

Still, a useful tool to have if California ever gets serious about secession.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh this again?

Not going to worry about it.

[San Lumen]

Oh this again?

Not going to worry about it.

the state government will never approve it.

[Valrifell]

Oh this again?

Not going to worry about it.

the state government will never approve it.

The state government having to approve of partitions of states is a bullshit provision in the Constitution, because no state government would willingly sign away part of their powah.

[Farnhamia]

the state government will never approve it.

The state government having to approve of partitions of states is a bullshit provision in the Constitution, because no state government would willingly sign away part of their powah.

Hmmm ... suppose everyone in the section that wishes to secede stops bathing and groups of them stand on hills upwind of the other part? Or just visit the state capitol in large groups?

[Valrifell]

The state government having to approve of partitions of states is a bullshit provision in the Constitution, because no state government would willingly sign away part of their powah.

Hmmm ... suppose everyone in the section that wishes to secede stops bathing and groups of them stand on hills upwind of the other part? Or just visit the state capitol in large groups?

The former might work, but the latter is less likely. They'd have to field their own candidates open to the idea, but people don't like it when their states split up so they're probably not going to get enough support.

[Reploid Productions]

Much like Texas secessionists, the California secessionists, whether the two-state or six-state or make-a-new-country flavors remain a tiny minority of the state's population. It is extremely unlikely that any of them will gain anywhere close to a significant voting majority needed to make the notions the least bit plausible.

[Farnhamia]

Hmmm ... suppose everyone in the section that wishes to secede stops bathing and groups of them stand on hills upwind of the other part? Or just visit the state capitol in large groups?

The former might work, but the latter is less likely. They'd have to field their own candidates open to the idea, but people don't like it when their states split up so they're probably not going to get enough support.

I did mean not bathe and visit the state capitol. I don't think it'll work anyway.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Bad idea, shouldn't happen.

Would hurt the US and California.

[Telconi]

I would personally like to see it happen. It won't though, because of the afore mentioned rule that somehow the original state government the people have a grievance with must approve it.

[San Lumen]

I would personally like to see it happen. It won't though, because of the afore mentioned rule that somehow the original state government the people have a grievance with must approve it.

Um why shouldnt the state legislature have to approve it? It says in the Constitution "no state may be formed out of another without the consent of the state."

[Telconi]

I would personally like to see it happen. It won't though, because of the afore mentioned rule that somehow the original state government the people have a grievance with must approve it.

Um why shouldnt the state legislature have to approve it? It says in the Constitution "no state may be formed out of another without the consent of the state."

Because that's a stupid rule...

[San Lumen]

Um why shouldnt the state legislature have to approve it? It says in the Constitution "no state may be formed out of another without the consent of the state."

Because that's a stupid rule...

Why is it stupid?

[Conserative Morality]

State secession is silly, Federal secession is treason. That's about the extent of my views on the matter. If it's for political reasons, then tell the fools that gerrymandering is bad enough when states do it; we don't need to do it to states.

[Conserative Morality]

it will never be approved by Sacramento. States cannot secede from the union nor be formed from another without their consent.

Plus those rural counties would never survive on their own.

"But they have food!" - the eternal argument of why rural counties don't need urban areas.

[Telconi]

Because that's a stupid rule...

Why is it stupid?

Because allowing the entity that is the source of the grievance to veto the action is absurd. It would be as if a law required you to get landlord permission before moving out of an apartment, or your employer's permission before resigning your employment.

[San Lumen]

Why is it stupid?

Because allowing the entity that is the source of the grievance to veto the action is absurd. It would be as if a law required you to get landlord permission before moving out of an apartment, or your employer's permission before resigning your employment.

Not even remotely the same thing. So if say the legislature of Missouri decided we dont want St Louis and Kansas City to be part of our state anymore that would be perfectly ok with you?

[Major-Tom]

Normally, I don't just give one word responses, but for this hackneyed topic it just deserves a

[Telconi]

Because allowing the entity that is the source of the grievance to veto the action is absurd. It would be as if a law required you to get landlord permission before moving out of an apartment, or your employer's permission before resigning your employment.

Not even remotely the same thing. So if say the legislature of Missouri decided we dont want St Louis and Kansas City to be part of our state anymore that would be perfectly ok with you?

Well, no, because that's something entirely different...

[San Lumen]

Not even remotely the same thing. So if say the legislature of Missouri decided we dont want St Louis and Kansas City to be part of our state anymore that would be perfectly ok with you?

Well, no, because that's something entirely different...

How is that any different?

[Bruke]

Id say the real problem is representation at the state level. As I said in another post, many of the rural counties don't feel like they have a voice in Sacramento. Give them that, and there'll be no Reason for secession.