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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:28 am

Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.

Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?
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Postby Kannadrickium » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:29 am

If we learned anything from Prohibition it's that people will just make babies in their bathtubs.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:31 am

I guess I should have seen this coming... "muh great replacement" leading people to embrace Maoist reproductive policies.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:31 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.

Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?

Well, that would be
1. Hard to Enforce: I mean, are we going to have a single officer in every single house, to see how many times couples have sex?
2. Baby Genocide (Sexist Baby Genocide): Boys would probably be placed over girls, meaning that a whole bunch of babies would be killed
and
3. Crazy: The Human race would eventually die out, because one child, producing one child is a reverse pyramid, where there will eventually be only one left.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:32 am

A one child, or two child policy simply wouldn't work, just look at what happened in China.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:33 am

No beacuse there's a bunch of unused unsettled land.

Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, Northern Ontario.

Hell even the South Ontario still has whole load of nothing.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:34 am

Liriena wrote:I guess I should have seen this coming... "muh great replacement" leading people to embrace Maoist reproductive policies.

Great replacement isn't a meme, there are large parts of Europe where demographic trends have non-natives replacing natives within a few generations. Though I don't think this is all due to Middle Eastern migration, but also due to Polish and Eastern European migration.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:34 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:No beacuse there's a bunch of unused unsettled land.

Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, Northern Ontario.

Hell even the South Ontario still has whole load of nothing.

Hey, I called dibs on Vermont!
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:34 am

Kenmoria wrote:A one child, or two child policy simply wouldn't work, just look at what happened in China.

Exactly. It would be (see my above post). And plus, wouldn't 'freedom-based' nations not implement it, defeating the point. Couples would just move to the non-implementor nations, which would mean that the non-implementors would see a pop explosion.
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:No beacuse there's a bunch of unused unsettled land.

Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, Northern Ontario.

Hell even the South Ontario still has whole load of nothing.

The Entire Canadian North is just... nothing...
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:35 am

Liriena wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:No beacuse there's a bunch of unused unsettled land.

Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, Northern Ontario.

Hell even the South Ontario still has whole load of nothing.

Hey, I called dibs on Vermont!

Ok, it's all yours.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:36 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:I guess I should have seen this coming... "muh great replacement" leading people to embrace Maoist reproductive policies.

Great replacement isn't a meme, there are large parts of Europe where demographic trends have non-natives replacing natives within a few generations. Though I don't think this is all due to Middle Eastern migration, but also due to Polish and Eastern European migration.

Eeeeh...
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:36 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:I guess I should have seen this coming... "muh great replacement" leading people to embrace Maoist reproductive policies.

Great replacement isn't a meme, there are large parts of Europe where demographic trends have non-natives replacing natives within a few generations. Though I don't think this is all due to Middle Eastern migration, but also due to Polish and Eastern European migration.


Demographic trends tend to project linearly from current data, which is kinda freaking worthless when talking about something as volatile as demographic trends.

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The South Falls wrote:The Entire Canadian North is just... nothing...

If it has good wifi and bookstores, I'm in.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:36 am

It's also morally objectionable to force people to have more or fewer children at gunpoint.

Why has this point not been raised?
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:38 am

Len Hyet wrote:It's also morally objectionable to force people to have more or fewer children at gunpoint.

Why has this point not been raised?


Because it being morally objectionable hasn't stopped people from trying, or proposing the idea repeatedly.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:38 am

Liriena wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The Entire Canadian North is just... nothing...

If it has good wifi and bookstores, I'm in.

Well, it has to have some Mobile Data, and not only bookstores but good Tea shops.
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Postby San Marlindo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:45 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.


Rubbish. The rate of natural increase in most Western countries is far below the replacement rate.
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Liriena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Great replacement isn't a meme, there are large parts of Europe where demographic trends have non-natives replacing natives within a few generations. Though I don't think this is all due to Middle Eastern migration, but also due to Polish and Eastern European migration.

Eeeeh...

There are already parts of Europe (like Frankfurt) where the majority is immigrant, and in the United States, the trend is pretty much irreversible already, with whites no longer being a majority of births.

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Postby Novowarsawianka » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:56 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.

Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?


Just limit immigration to those who deserve it or are needed. Merit based immigration will be our salvation. In a few years you would have no issue to ban people without higher education from immigrating, because you won't need more manual labour.
Educated people, no matter where they come from, don't just breed like rabbits.

Besides, giving a cap to breeding is wrong. But we should encourage poorer people to have less children, and educated and wealthy people to have more. Poor people can't afford to send 5 kids to college really, but 1 or 2 would be doable. Sexual education, affordable protection and so on are the key.
Now, this should be a recommendation, not forcing people to do it, forcing people into this sounds overly authoritarian and dystopian.

But, this does not go for underdeveloped countries like Nigeria, which need a Chinese style limit, at least until they become manageable. Overpopulation would be the death blow for Africa.

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Postby Essu Beti » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:11 am

Quick solution to overpopulation: easy access to contraception, exhaustive sex-ed education, and stop giving publicity and tv shows to people with a butt-ton of children.

Slow to overpopulation: change the culture. Make having small families more prestigious than large ones, encourage adoption instead of reproduction, and make it actually possible for a woman to go to the doctor and request tubal ligation without the doctor refusing to do it until she’s already popped a few out.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:19 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.

Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?

So what you are saying is that in order to save foreigners from the mess they them self created western countries should begin infringing on the fundamental biological rights of their citizens?

How about we don't?
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:Eeeeh...

There are already parts of Europe (like Frankfurt) where the majority is immigrant, and in the United States, the trend is pretty much irreversible already, with whites no longer being a majority of births.

In 2015 36% children under 5 years old had migrant background.[43]
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[In 2010, the proportion of migrant families in all families was 32% in the former territory of the Federal Republic. This figure was more than double that in the new Länder (incl. Berlin) where it stood at 15%.[42]/quote]

(Frankfurt)


(France)

Migrant background =/= Middle east.
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The South Falls wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Right now, the western world is making babies regardless of the environmental consequences, partly because they want to, but partly to compete with Middle Eastern immigrants who are making babies of their own.

Some have suggested that the alternative is to stop taking in Middle Eastern immigrants in the first place. But this would doom them to a life of poverty and war. Why not just place limits on the number of children you can have, regardless of race, so that the Middle Eastern immigrants can't outbreed the locals, and the environment will be better protected from us humans?

Well, that would be
1. Hard to Enforce: I mean, are we going to have a single officer in every single house, to see how many times couples have sex?
2. Baby Genocide (Sexist Baby Genocide): Boys would probably be placed over girls, meaning that a whole bunch of babies would be killed
and
3. Crazy: The Human race would eventually die out, because one child, producing one child is a reverse pyramid, where there will eventually be only one left.

1. No, only sterilize after a given number of babies born. Or offer a choice between that and abortion.

2. Only in China. The western world finds little girls cuter than little boys.

3. I didn't say it had to be a one-child policy.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:00 pm

Novowarsawianka wrote:Besides, giving a cap to breeding is wrong. But we should encourage poorer people to have less children, and educated and wealthy people to have more. Poor people can't afford to send 5 kids to college really, but 1 or 2 would be doable. Sexual education, affordable protection and so on are the key.

How effective have they been so far?
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