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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:15 am

So let's say a scenario that has happened in a TV show does play out in real life.

You have a young adult daughter. The young adult daughter lives with you and is economically, financially, socially dependent on you.

One day you find out that your daughter is working on a project to protest the Western world ignoring sex trade/slavery issues in the Third World... by going online and auctioning her virginity to the highest bidder (and drawing attention to this with Facebook, Twitter, blogs etc).

Your daughter insists that "this is the way" to protest the issue and that she has a social consciousness. She says the world needs to see a privileged upper/middle class girl auctioning her virginity online to realise the extent to which exploitation exists in less fortunate parts of the world. Her own life has to Matter and this is how she's going to make a stand.

Let's say that in this scenario, prostitution is entirely legal worldwide (so we don't have to consider mechanical arguments about illegality, fines, imprisonment etc).

Now how would you respond to this?

1. What would you say to her?
2. Would you attempt to stop the project/online auction? If so, what specific actions would you take?
3. How much of a point do you think she has (if any)?

I would be uneasy about it at first.

However, I think that after a while, I would come to the rightful conclusion that having liberal values means that sometimes you have to live by your words, and not just sit on them. If my daughter wants to do this, then its 100% her choice and if I don't support her then I will personally be an authoritarian, old school, hypocritical, politically incorrect bastard. And I can't have that. And so it is with a very heavy heart, that I would have to allow the auction to proceed. I don't like the idea of my daughter auctioning her virginity... but if I support Freedom, I have to support Freedom.

Personally though, I don't think she has a point. Fact of the matter is, the exploitation in the Third World will continue and there is no doubt that she will regret her decision later in life.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:21 am

If shes an adult, disapprove highly and tell her so. If she gets arrested get her a lawyer I guess.

If still a dependent ground her. For, like a year.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:22 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:...but if I support Freedom, I have to support Freedom.

But you don't support freedom.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:...but if I support Freedom, I have to support Freedom.

But you don't support freedom.

Shh, shh. He supports what he deems gives him the high ground.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:24 am

If she is an adult, let her as it is her choice and tyrannical to stop her. If however she is a minor I would definitely not let her.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:25 am

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:...but if I support Freedom, I have to support Freedom.

But you don't support freedom.


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Postby Radiatia » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:25 am

1. What would you say to her?
"You're a fucking moron if you think the way to protest sex slavery is to sell yourself as a sex slave."

2. Would you attempt to stop the project/online auction? If so, what specific actions would you take?

I would have no legal recourse, but she certainly won't be getting any inheritance. I'd be ashamed to have such an idiotic daughter. As for the project, well, that's their business.

3. How much of a point do you think she has (if any)?
See answer to (1)
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:29 am

Yeah no, sorry hun, but that's not how we're gonna do things. You selling your virginity is going to do nothing but piss me off. Seriously though, this will accomplish nothing and end up with you having been a prostitute which will sit with you for the rest of your life, and it might reflect poorly with employers. Plus the kinds of guys who would buy a prostitute are not people you want to have sex with, lonely degenerates.

This whole privilege thing is so just ugh, the fact that our society has gotten to a point where it is considered that because you have "Privilege" you should have to degrade your body to get your point across is bull. No, donate money to causes that deal with this, you can talk about it on social media, and maybe direct your efforts somewhere where you'll actually have a difference. Like go work in a soup kitchen for a bit. How about that hon, because I guarantee I will kill any man who's going to have sex with you for money.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:39 am

My daughter sounds like a idiot in this scenario. How does whoring yourself prove to anyone the extent of the slave trade, it proves that she has too much time on her hands if you ask me. Thinking back (aside from the fucking part) wasn't this part of a joke in an episode of Yes Minister.


Either that or this is the excuse to me that she wants to work as a prostitute.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:28 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:One day you find out that your daughter is working on a project to protest the Western world ignoring sex trade/slavery issues in the Third World... by going online and auctioning her virginity to the highest bidder (and drawing attention to this with Facebook, Twitter, blogs etc). Your daughter insists that "this is the way" to protest the issue and that she has a social consciousness. She says the world needs to see a privileged upper/middle class girl auctioning her virginity online to realise the extent to which exploitation exists in less fortunate parts of the world. Her own life has to Matter and this is how she's going to make a stand.

What would you say to her?

I would say to her that she has some kind of humiliation/domination fantasy that she needs to address, that there are better ways to satisfy that kink than this lame roundabout and convoluted excuse...
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:13 am

It all boils down on if I feel she is old enough to have sex. If yes, than she can do what ever she wants with that. I don't consider prostitution to be any more of a bad thing than any other job. If not, than I would stop her using the same methods I would use to stop a 5 year old from having sex.

Either way however I would feel very sad and disappointed at my self for not teaching my child better than to be an idealistic world-changer. And would give her a strong lecture on the topic of the futility and disgusting disgraceful nature of wanting to make grand gestures and act out in order to try and "save the world".
Civilized responsible people don't try to "save the world". They live their life with the cards dealt to them and only use legitimate means such as voting and legitimate organized protests to get their way. Not this sort of random sideways gestures.

TLDR; I don't mind the whore part but no child of mine is going to be an activist.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:22 am

Purpelia wrote:It all boils down on if I feel she is old enough to have sex. If yes, than she can do what ever she wants with that. I don't consider prostitution to be any more of a bad thing than any other job. If not, than I would stop her using the same methods I would use to stop a 5 year old from having sex.

Either way however I would feel very sad and disappointed at my self for not teaching my child better than to be an idealistic world-changer. And would give her a strong lecture on the topic of the futility and disgusting disgraceful nature of wanting to make grand gestures and act out in order to try and "save the world".
Civilized responsible people don't try to "save the world". They live their life with the cards dealt to them and only use legitimate means such as voting and legitimate organized protests to get their way. Not this sort of random sideways gestures.


How is organised protest better though? Isn't it also kind of illegitimate (or as legitimate as this)?

I mean, I always saw protest as a "we can't win by voting therefore we will make a lot of noise" tactic
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:32 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:How is organised protest better though? Isn't it also kind of illegitimate (or as legitimate as this)?

I mean, I always saw protest as a "we can't win by voting therefore we will make a lot of noise" tactic

There is a very fine line between the two. So fine that I like to draw the line erring on the side of "don't make noise".

In general, I find the idea of organized peaceful protest conducted in traditionally legitimate ways such as standing or marching in large numbers (either physically or online), signing petitions etc. in order to bring attention to a point as being fine. But only if you are being calm, civil, peaceful and non violent. And only as long as you accept that society has the right to say no to your request and respect their decision if they do so. Anything that goes beyond this either in terms of the means used or in terms of not accepting defeat I find to be illegitimate.

The key point is that you are bringing attention to your opinion and issue, something that everyone has the right to do, but not demanding others acquiesce to it. And that you are doing so in a way that is not disruptive, shocking or otherwise inappropriate because you are supposed to convince people with your argument and not with your performance. The moment you cross that line is the moment you become illegitimate.
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Postby Cetacea » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:59 am

'Great idea honey but
1 require a minimum bid of $1000000
2 put in a clause that I as chaperone get to vet the auction winner which will include medical and psych evaluations.
3 also indicate that you have a right to withdraw at any time'

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Postby Heloin » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:25 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Purpelia wrote:It all boils down on if I feel she is old enough to have sex. If yes, than she can do what ever she wants with that. I don't consider prostitution to be any more of a bad thing than any other job. If not, than I would stop her using the same methods I would use to stop a 5 year old from having sex.

Either way however I would feel very sad and disappointed at my self for not teaching my child better than to be an idealistic world-changer. And would give her a strong lecture on the topic of the futility and disgusting disgraceful nature of wanting to make grand gestures and act out in order to try and "save the world".
Civilized responsible people don't try to "save the world". They live their life with the cards dealt to them and only use legitimate means such as voting and legitimate organized protests to get their way. Not this sort of random sideways gestures.


How is organised protest better though? Isn't it also kind of illegitimate (or as legitimate as this)?

This is clearly less legitimate. This kind of protest would be a gimmick brought up in those did you knew books, barely remember past the point it happened and raising no awareness to its cause once all is said and done.

I mean, I always saw protest as a "we can't win by voting therefore we will make a lot of noise" tactic

While that does have somewhat a ring of truth to it's not quite on point. A protest when done well will both make people aware of a real (or perceived) problem and set it into the public consciousness.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:37 am

I'd tell her that's a dumb way to protest this, tell her there's nothing wrong with wanting to do this for personal reasons, then wish her luck. It's her choice, I can only tell her how I feel about it
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:42 am

I think it's clear answer to this is.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:47 am

Now how would you respond to this?

Place the highest bid.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:50 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Now how would you respond to this?

Place the highest bid.

I get what you mean but....creepy
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:50 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Now how would you respond to this?

Place the highest bid.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:51 am

IF this were to exist than it would not effect me at all, save unless my sister does it. But for me in general no.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:52 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Place the highest bid.

I get what you mean but....creepy

Everything about this thread was already creepy.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:53 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:IF this were to exist than it would not effect me at all, save unless my sister does it. But for me in general no.

The entire hypothetical involves a hypothetical daughter, Your's.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:54 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I get what you mean but....creepy

Everything about this thread was already creepy.

Really? I thought it was kinky.







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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:55 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:IF this were to exist than it would not effect me at all, save unless my sister does it. But for me in general no.

The entire hypothetical involves a hypothetical daughter, Your's.

But I'm a teenager. If I were to have a hypothetical daughter, I'm more concerned on how she's able to, combined with the fact that those guys who pay my daughter to have sex must be incredibly creepy.
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