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Postby Avernian Republic » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:00 pm

What do you think of 3D-printed guns?

I'm personally 100% for them for all the same reasons I'm pro-gun:
-Ensuring there is a major check against a potentially tyrannical government
-Decreases crime
-The ability to own a means of protecting one's self is a natural human right that places no burden upon anyone else
-No one wants to shoot each other when everyone is armed.

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Postby Trumptonium » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:06 pm

Legalise gun printing businesses and staff them with children who are too naughty to sit in class.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:17 pm

Fully in favor and I do my part to help improve and spread them.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:25 pm

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 pm

I mean, as a cost reduction method yes. As someone printing guns in his basement, no
edit* That said, I don't think we should ban 3d printers, and understand you can't really limit someone from making a gun with one
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:43 pm

I am personally very anti-gun. However, I am also pro-3D printing. It would be almost impossible to make a 3D printer that somehow knew if it was going to make a gun and stopped itself and banning the, is just tyrannical so I currently believe making any serious legislation on 3D printing guns is foolish.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:45 pm

Kenmoria wrote:I am personally very anti-gun. However, I am also pro-3D printing. It would be almost impossible to make a 3D printer that somehow knew if it was going to make a gun and stopped itself and banning the, is just tyrannical so I currently believe making any serious legislation on 3D printing guns is foolish.

Yeah pretty much. Even blocking certain blueprints can't really work since they can just print the parts individually
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm

Interesting this topic came up, Daniel Defense has filed a lawsuit against the U.S State Department. A while back during the o admin, the State Dept. determined that the files used to create 3d printed firearms violated the ITAR, and sent a cease and desist order to Daniel Defense. IMO, the cease and desist order violates Daniel Defense/Cody Wilson's first amendment rights.
The other reason it needs to be thrown out, as the files for 3d printed firearms are out there with new files being available everyday provided by others on various file sharing sites/websites, etc.

More here

I am in full support of 3d printed firearms and against any regulations on 3d printing.
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Postby Canada Dominion » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:06 pm

The 3D printed gun issue is a non issue no mater how you look at it.

Anyone with a modicum of shop experience and some fairly basic tools can make a half decent gun. People are getting worked up over the possibility of printed guns like it homemade guns are something new.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:08 pm

On this issue, I think I am a dirty statist who is in favor of strict legislation with regards to 3D printing. We can't have the civilian market be in charge of firearms manufacturing. Only the established arms corporations should have the ability to produce.

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Postby Pakstria » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Depends. I'm all for it with the current condition of 3D printing technology, especially with the absence of commercialized metal 3D printers, and understand that there's no way to regulate it without an outright ban on 3D printers. With the current standards of 3D printing, it's next to impossible to make one capable of firing more than once because they're generally shattered by the force, meaning that the bullet probably isn't travelling as fast anyways, and those that are reinforced to deal with it are generally melted by the friction with the bullet and heat of the combustion reaction. Either way, they're generally single shot with current commercial technology. However, I think that Pakstria as a nation, and within my own belief system, metal 3D printers would be banned from private use to prevent someone from acquiring an AR or something similar that's capable of significant harm to society. I'm for guns but not unreasonably powerful ones.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:15 pm

Canada Dominion wrote:The 3D printed gun issue is a non issue no mater how you look at it.

Anyone with a modicum of shop experience and some fairly basic tools can make a half decent gun. People are getting worked up over the possibility of printed guns like it homemade guns are something new.

Yeah. Early in the Vietnam War, before the Viet Cong had regular access to weapons, they would make homemade weapons out of whatever was lying around. Most could only survive a shot or two before falling apart.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:17 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Canada Dominion wrote:The 3D printed gun issue is a non issue no mater how you look at it.

Anyone with a modicum of shop experience and some fairly basic tools can make a half decent gun. People are getting worked up over the possibility of printed guns like it homemade guns are something new.

Yeah. Early in the Vietnam War, before the Viet Cong had regular access to weapons, they would make homemade weapons out of whatever was lying around. Most could only survive a shot or two before falling apart.

And believe me, Americans do it a lot
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:20 pm

I think we should be more concerned about the 2d printed gun menace. If it's pointed at you you can't even see it then *BLAM* and your head has a hole in it that can only bee seen from the side. Terrifying...

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Postby Canada Dominion » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:20 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Canada Dominion wrote:The 3D printed gun issue is a non issue no mater how you look at it.

Anyone with a modicum of shop experience and some fairly basic tools can make a half decent gun. People are getting worked up over the possibility of printed guns like it homemade guns are something new.

Yeah. Early in the Vietnam War, before the Viet Cong had regular access to weapons, they would make homemade weapons out of whatever was lying around. Most could only survive a shot or two before falling apart.


I’m not sure what people put together with scrap in a jungle with hand tools is comparable to what someone in a home shop can do with proper materials. There are lots of examples online of people building firearms in home shops.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:I think we should be more concerned about the 2d printed gun menace. If it's pointed at you you can't even see it then *BLAM* and your head has a hole in it that can only bee seen from the side. Terrifying...

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:22 pm

Canada Dominion wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Yeah. Early in the Vietnam War, before the Viet Cong had regular access to weapons, they would make homemade weapons out of whatever was lying around. Most could only survive a shot or two before falling apart.


I’m not sure what people put together with scrap in a jungle with hand tools is comparable to what someone in a home shop can do with proper materials. There are lots of examples online of people building firearms in home shops.

You can use a nail and a rubber band for a firing pin, a pipe for a barrel, and make a stock out of wood.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:22 pm

Estlobies wrote:Making eugenics easier

Tengri man, elaborate
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:23 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Canada Dominion wrote:
I’m not sure what people put together with scrap in a jungle with hand tools is comparable to what someone in a home shop can do with proper materials. There are lots of examples online of people building firearms in home shops.

You can use a nail and a rubber band for a firing pin, a pipe for a barrel, and make a stock out of wood.

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:24 pm

Estlobies wrote:Making eugenics easier

I've counted 4 meaning in my head this sentence could possibly have. Please elaborate.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:24 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:You can use a nail and a rubber band for a firing pin, a pipe for a barrel, and make a stock out of wood.

Never forget the shovel ak

Shovel AK?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:25 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Never forget the shovel ak

Shovel AK?

Shovel AK
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:26 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Yeah. Early in the Vietnam War, before the Viet Cong had regular access to weapons, they would make homemade weapons out of whatever was lying around. Most could only survive a shot or two before falling apart.


The PAVN had full, official state sanctioned support from both China and the Soviet Union early on. So the equipment that North Vietnam had was good by communist bloc standards.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Yeah. Early in the Vietnam War, before the Viet Cong had regular access to weapons, they would make homemade weapons out of whatever was lying around. Most could only survive a shot or two before falling apart.


The PAVN had full, official state sanctioned support from both China and the Soviet Union early on. So the equipment that North Vietnam had was good by communist bloc standards.

I mean like really early on.
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