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Liagolas
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Postby Liagolas » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:27 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"You know what's more abhorrent? Foreign occupation by a dictatorial power."
"There's a reason these limitations go away during wartime."

"Ooh, ooh! The Dominion can come up with clever, pithy turns of phrase, too! Do you know what's more abhorrent than foreign occupation by a dictatorial power? Domestic occupation by a dictatorial power!" The Mouth chuckles, rolling its head back. The Hand behind it seems to stare, gobsmacked.

Wallenburg wrote:
Fauxia wrote:"There's a reason these limitations go away during wartime."

"They don't."

"Uh... but they do?" The Mouth tosses a paper airplane made of a copy of the draft, which manage to land on Mr. Ogenbond's desk, rather than his face. Fortuanate. One clause on the draft is underlined:

3. Mandates that no nation, during times of peace, may conscript any person for combat roles for periods of time that exceed one year,


"If the limitation of one year of conscription only applies during times of peace, that would necessarily suggest it does not apply during a time of war."
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:37 pm

Liagolas wrote:
Fauxia wrote: "There's a reason these limitations go away during wartime."

"Ooh, ooh! The Dominion can come up with clever, pithy turns of phrase, too! Do you know what's more abhorrent than foreign occupation by a dictatorial power? Domestic occupation by a dictatorial power!" The Mouth chuckles, rolling its head back. The Hand behind it seems to stare, gobsmacked.

Wallenburg wrote:"They don't."

"Uh... but they do?" The Mouth tosses a paper airplane made of a copy of the draft, which manage to land on Mr. Ogenbond's desk, rather than his face. Fortuanate. One clause on the draft is underlined:

3. Mandates that no nation, during times of peace, may conscript any person for combat roles for periods of time that exceed one year,


"If the limitation of one year of conscription only applies during times of peace, that would necessarily suggest it does not apply during a time of war."

"Wait? Jenny, clause three again, from our records." Another Wallenburgian hands him a page, which Mikael reads over. "Hmm. I could have sworn those were two separate clauses. This changes everything. I will think about this."
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:24 am

Liagolas wrote:"Uh... but they do?" The Mouth tosses a paper airplane made of a copy of the draft, which manage to land on Mr. Ogenbond's desk, rather than his face. Fortuanate. One clause on the draft is underlined:
3. Mandates that no nation, during times of peace, may conscript any person for combat roles for periods of time that exceed one year,

"If the limitation of one year of conscription only applies during times of peace, that would necessarily suggest it does not apply during a time of war."

"However, the definition of a combat role cannot apply during peacetime," Johan pointed out.

1. Defines combat role and all variants thereof, for the purposes of this resolution, as the active participation in open warfare against an enemy
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Postby Fauxia » Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:39 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Liagolas wrote:"Uh... but they do?" The Mouth tosses a paper airplane made of a copy of the draft, which manage to land on Mr. Ogenbond's desk, rather than his face. Fortuanate. One clause on the draft is underlined:

"If the limitation of one year of conscription only applies during times of peace, that would necessarily suggest it does not apply during a time of war."

"However, the definition of a combat role cannot apply during peacetime," Johan pointed out.

1. Defines combat role and all variants thereof, for the purposes of this resolution, as the active participation in open warfare against an enemy
“That... is a fair point. However, one can still train for combat roles.”

OOC: I think I will go back to the possibly illegal limitations. GenSec can judge it, then
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:49 pm

Fauxia wrote:OOC: I think I will go back to the possibly illegal limitations. GenSec can judge it, then

OOC: Or just fix your definitions.
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Postby Fauxia » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:33 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:OOC: I think I will go back to the possibly illegal limitations. GenSec can judge it, then

OOC: Or just fix your definitions.
OOC: Or both :)
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Sandaoguo wrote:GP is a den of cynics and nihilists
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 am

Fauxia wrote:OOC: Or both

OOC: Why risk a legality battle? GenSec's rulings can take months to come.
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Postby Fauxia » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:51 am

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:OOC: Or both

OOC: Why risk a legality battle? GenSec's rulings can take months to come.
OOC: Eh, maybe. I don't pay enough attention to the WA to care so much about time frame
Reploid Productions wrote:Unfortunately, Max still won't buy the mods elite ninja assassin squads to use, so... no such luck.
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