[PASSED] Voting Equality for Freed Inmates

[Stoskavanya]

Then make a resolution specifically banning states from using trivial offense to limit a demographic's democratic influence; I agree with your point, but I still think there are plenty of scenarios where
a. Previous criminal record can be a legitimate reason to prevent someone from voting; even if its temporary or specified to different types of elections
and
b. Disenfranchisement can be a legitimate punishment

And while the resolution may be a solution to your potential problem, it does not account for criminal justice systems which hold the above beliefs, and thus is not good international legislation imo.

[The Legion Imperial]

Do we have any examples of former cons hurting a country by voting? Other than making it easier to treat them like garbage or put "undesirables" in their place, what is gained when we limit their participation in the political process?

"Criminals are undesirables. By definition."

To further this point it is not so much the idea of them hurting their country by voting, than by teaching them that by breaking the law, they don't get these rights. Scum of society need to be taught that by breaking laws, they lose certain rights. We don't just let criminals go with a little slap on the wrist and a "don't do this again". We need to teach them through hard consequences. And the innocent who are convicted are in a very low minority. Most nations justice systems are advanced, and smart enough to convict the right person.

[Pizzagrad]

To further this point it is not so much the idea of them hurting their country by voting, than by teaching them that by breaking the law, they don't get these rights. Scum of society need to be taught that by breaking laws, they lose certain rights. We don't just let criminals go with a little slap on the wrist and a "don't do this again". We need to teach them through hard consequences. And the innocent who are convicted are in a very low minority. Most nations justice systems are advanced, and smart enough to convict the right person.

I would have to disagree with that assessment, 1 in 25 death row inmates are innocent*, and that has a very high level of scrutiny, lower level crimes are even more likely to throw the book at someone when evidence is lacking. Also many people accept plea deals because the cost of standing trial is greater than just accepting the punishment. World's messed up. That's why we shouldn't rush to deprive humans of basic rights unless we can tie it to some direct threat on to some other person.

*https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-cost-of-convicting-the-innocent/2015/07/24/260fc3a2-1aae-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html?utm_term=.6aa9b79b752b

[The Legion Imperial]

To further this point it is not so much the idea of them hurting their country by voting, than by teaching them that by breaking the law, they don't get these rights. Scum of society need to be taught that by breaking laws, they lose certain rights. We don't just let criminals go with a little slap on the wrist and a "don't do this again". We need to teach them through hard consequences. And the innocent who are convicted are in a very low minority. Most nations justice systems are advanced, and smart enough to convict the right person.

I would have to disagree with that assessment, 1 in 25 death row inmates are innocent*, and that has a very high level of scrutiny, lower level crimes are even more likely to throw the book at someone when evidence is lacking. Also many people accept plea deals because the cost of standing trial is greater than just accepting the punishment. World's messed up. That's why we shouldn't rush to deprive humans of basic rights unless we can tie it to some direct threat on to some other person.

*https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-cost-of-convicting-the-innocent/2015/07/24/260fc3a2-1aae-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html?utm_term=.6aa9b79b752b

A. If we know they are innocent why are they on death row?
B. Who says voting is a basic human right? And even if it is many of these people are sub human. People who would kill and rape. Do they really deserve the right to vote. If it even is a right?

(I would also argue that those on death row are in cases that are brutal, horrible, and also most of the time are complex, and hard to prove. Whereas smaller level crimes are easier to find evidence, and convict the correct person.

[Tinfect]

A. If we know they are innocent why are they on death row?

OOC:
Because the US 'Justice' System is a pathetic shambles concerned more with the convenience of the court and the pocketbook of the State than it is with protecting the rights of its citizens.

I would also argue that those on death row are in cases that are brutal, horrible, and also most of the time are complex, and hard to prove. Whereas smaller level crimes are easier to find evidence, and convict the correct person.

You'd be wrong, at least in the latter part. In the former, you're just admitting that it's effectively impossible to be certain we're sending the right person to the needle; the latter is often bullshit, given that people are routinely convicted with effectively zero evidence, due to the aforementioned pathetic state of US courts and the fact that the best advice most wrongly-convicted people get is 'take a plea deal'.

[Dysmastan]

OOC: I'm glad this passed. It gives me a bit of hope for the future IRL; that actual countries will adopt similar principles like this into their laws.

[Liagolas]

"The Dominion offer its congratulations to Bishop Pierce," the Mouth says, wearing a party hat and holding a streamer. "Now, on to the repeal debate!" it adds, perhaps a bit too eagerly.

[Fauxia]

"The Dominion offer its congratulations to Bishop Pierce," the Mouth says, wearing a party hat and holding a streamer. "Now, on to the repeal debate!" it adds, perhaps a bit too eagerly.

“You are nice and enthusiastic about it, good for you.”

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Voting Equality for Freed Inmates was passed 14,315 votes to 3,117.

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