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Martin Schulz calls for US of Europe within 8 years

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"The leader of Germany’s Social Democratic party has sketched out red lines for talks to form another coalition government with Angela Merkel.

In a speech at the SPD’s party conference in Berlin that called for the creation of a “United States of Europe” by 2025, as well as a more robust social security net and a phasing out of coal power, Martin Schulz made the case for entering open-ended talks with the Christian Democratic Union (CDU).

“We don’t want to govern at any price,” Schulz said. “But we also shouldn’t refuse to govern at any price.”

SPD members later voted overwhelmingly to allow their party’s leadership to enter talks with the CDU. The vote means leaders can discuss options including a renewed “grand coalition”, an informal cooperation or a formal agreement to tolerate a conservative minority government by not voting down certain parliamentary motions.

Attempts to build Germany’s next government have been at a standstill since last month’s collapse of coalition talks between the CDU, the Free Democrats and the Greens.

Other European states have expressed their growing impatience with Germany’s political paralysis. Leaders including the French president, Emmanuel Macron, and the Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, have called on Schulz to break the deadlock.

The SPD leader acknowledged those appeals on Thursday when he warned that “the continent cannot afford four more years of German European policy a la Schäuble”, referring to the austerity measures of the country’s conservative former finance minister.

Schulz told delegates that he wanted EU member states to sign off on a “constitutional treaty” that committed the bloc to take steps towards a federal Europe – a proposal likely to be met with some resistance from Merkel and other EU leaders.

“Such a constitutional treaty has to be written by a convention that includes civil society and the people. This constitutional treaty will then have to be put to the member states and those that don’t approve it will automatically have to leave the EU,” Schulz said.

The SPD leader called for stronger social security for workers in the digital services economy, increased investment in academic and vocational education, and binding green energy targets. Phasing out coal energy was inevitable, Schulz said, and the next government should focus on creating new opportunities for those currently employed in the sector.

“Let’s first see which policies we can push through and then decide about the precise form in which we do it,” he said.

Despite the vote by SPD members to allow talks with the CDU to start, Thursday’s party conference also laid bare the centre left’s deep-seated reservations about teaming up with Merkel as a junior coalition partner for a third time in 12 years.

Schulz apologised for presiding over his party’s worst result since the second world war; the SPD was well beaten by the CDU in September’s elections.

Some delegates used their speeches to vent their annoyance with the party leadership opening the door to talks with Merkel, expressing fears that a new “grand coalition” could deal their party an existential blow. Surveys show that a majority of SPD members would prefer their party to prop up a Merkel-led minority government rather than rejoin a coalition.


Well would you look at that. I can't count the number of times I've been called a wild conspiracy theorist for suggesting the end goal of the EU is a single European state, so I have to extend my hand to Schulz and thank him for being open with it. Eurofederalism has to be in my eyes the most detestable idea ever, and these pro-EU liberals/social democrats/conservatives are just digging their own graves by advocating it. Personally however I don't think it's a view that has a chance to become a reality, there's far too much popular opposition, even from within those who support the EU. What do you all think? Is there a chance for Schulz' USE to be formed?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:10 pm

Good luck to them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:11 pm

Let's not do that.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:12 pm

Good. :)
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Postby New Totzka » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:13 pm

You've got to hand it to the Germans, they just won't give up.
Third times the charm i guess.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:14 pm

I mean, it's a cool idea, I guess...
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Postby Trumptonium » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:14 pm

Germany won't do it because of FDP and CSU and most of CDU preventing it for financial reasons.

So it's basically France + Belgium + Luxembourg + Sweden + Finland + Baltics. Austria/Netherlands/Portugal/Spain 90% chance, Italy 75% chance, Greece 50% chance, Ireland 50% chance, Germany 30% chance and the rest are out.
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Postby Hamrun » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:15 pm

About time...

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Postby UKCS » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:15 pm

Oh I'm sure the Visegrad are going to love this.
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:16 pm

Will the US of EU adopt the US Healthcare System? :P
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Postby Trumptonium » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:19 pm

Kennlind wrote:Schulz told delegates that he wanted EU member states to sign off on a “constitutional treaty” that committed the bloc to take steps towards a federal Europe – a proposal likely to be met with some resistance from Merkel and other EU leaders.

“Such a constitutional treaty has to be written by a convention that includes civil society and the people. This constitutional treaty will then have to be put to the member states and those that don’t approve it will automatically have to leave the EU,” Schulz said.


Also, this is funny.

Because the EU and national governments have traditionally respected the popular vote when it went against the EU...

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Postby Kennlind » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:21 pm

Shofercia wrote:Will the US of EU adopt the US Healthcare System? :P

I'd hope so. That way I'd die quicker and not have to live in a shitty peak neoliberal consumerist slave society for long.

UKCS wrote:Oh I'm sure the Visegrad are going to love this.

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Liriena wrote:I mean, it's a cool idea, I guess...

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New Totzka wrote:You've got to hand it to the Germans, they just won't give up.
Third times the charm i guess.

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Postby Gaozu » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:23 pm

This is why I voted remain. It's sad Britain probably won't get a chance to be part of this if it happens. :(
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So one person has called for it. Is there actually support for it, or is everyone just getting the vapours?
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Conserative Morality wrote:Good. :)


They will just cut defense spending more, be even more protectionist and be an even larger burden at the end of the day. We should actively be trying to break them up.

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Conserative Morality wrote:Good. :)


You think another European war would be a good thing? Because that's what will happen if the Germans try to seize control again.
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Vassenor wrote:So one person has called for it. Is there actually support for it, or is everyone just getting the vapours?

The EPP, largest party in the European Parliament, will probably give some support to it, as will people in his party, the SDP.

Gaozu wrote:This is why I voted remain. It's sad Britain probably won't get a chance to be part of this if it happens. :(

Yes it's really sad another country can't become part of a supranational hedonistic consumerist slave society.
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Gaozu wrote:This is why I voted remain. It's sad Britain probably won't get a chance to be part of this if it happens. :(


Why would Britain want to be a part of it? It would get rid of some of their power over their own country.
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I support the idea of a genuinely social democratic USE.
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Ashlak wrote:I support the idea of a genuinely social democratic USE.


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The East Marches II wrote:They will just cut defense spending more, be even more protectionist and be an even larger burden at the end of the day. We should actively be trying to break them up.

Nyet tovarisch, this will stiffen the resolve of (or at least force to act in tandem with) the larger countries that have close ties with the US and are getting uncomfortable with Russia's revanchism.

Also, decreasing regionalization increases the influence of English.
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Kennlind wrote:Yes it's really sad another country can't become part of a supranational hedonistic consumerist slave society.

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Ashlak wrote:I support the idea of a genuinely social democratic USE.

Why? So you can disgrace your ancestors who fought for a Europe of free nations and peoples?
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Vassenor wrote:So one person has called for it. Is there actually support for it, or is everyone just getting the vapours?

The EPP, largest party in the European Parliament, will probably give some support to it, as will people in his party, the SDP.

Gaozu wrote:This is why I voted remain. It's sad Britain probably won't get a chance to be part of this if it happens. :(

Yes it's really sad another country can't become part of a supranational hedonistic consumerist slave society.


Oh, so it's just an assumption on your part then.
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Hopefully not.
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