The region of Boston has been attacked.

[Stratagem]

I am posting this here because my home region, Boston is invaded once again but by this time supposedly because they want to handle the refounding of the region and not me. They are saying they are defending groups but are acting bad, deleting discord link and refusing to talk without just name calling.

I post this here to hope they will stop doing this in a place they cannot suppress it. Any suggestions are welcome, but I think it is their goal now just to kick me out. Any other residents of Boston (the region) please talk here too!

Thank you,

Gemma, ex delegate.

[The New England Revs]

I have been friends with Gemma for years I know enough about this game that no one cares but this is straight up bull sh1t, real talk.

She has been trying to make Boston (the region, obviously) livable and have a culture again. To let some outside group turn it into another geographical trophy region is really a dick move.

So, if someone does care, why don't you tell your buddies to leave or at least refound the region and give it to an active native because we have been trying for months to refound it! I could care less but she has worked hard. None of these folks care like she does.

[Roavin]

Stratagem, you moved your nation (without WA) into the region in April, didn't participate at all until you one day in August randomly claimed TBH was trying to refound it. When asked how you know this, you then said (in your second ever RMB post) that "[you] know bc [you] know".Then, your WA membership appeared out of nowhere, you got Crystalsummer's peeps to pile on you, and started purging the region.

I'm not buying your claim to nativity.

[The New England Revs]

Blaming the victim. The culture of abuse (of logic) continues.

So she did not do everything perfect, that makes her the enemy and therefore we should attack her.

Wow. Way to encourage new players! I myself am sickened by the use of logic loops and hypocrisy so I . Am. All. Set.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Those darn British Imperial Pigs! PUT THEIR TEA IN SEAWATER UNTIL WE GET REPRESENTATION!


Oh shit.. I'm English..

[Fratt]

Blaming the victim. The culture of abuse (of logic) continues.

Are we still talking about gameplay? Because normally I associate those terms with rape.

[Stratagem]

You have got to be kidding me. That’s inappropriate.

[Tim-Opolis]

Yeah, you ain't native. Your rhetoric ain't that great either, honestly.

[Fratt]

You have got to be kidding me. That’s inappropriate.

That's the spin your "friend" chose to put on it, apparently.

[Mestovakia]

I, for one, find your claim suspect.

[Kanglia]

To say that this claim is dubious is, quite frankly, an understatement of epic proportions. However, if you were going for the refound, which I will assume you were, it would have been more entertaining had it been sniped from you

Anyways, yeah, you're not a native.

[Queen Yuno]

Why does it have to be Boston? Just make a region called Boston Region or Boston State/City or something.
The 4-10 months you spend trying to clear out a region for refound could be spent on recruiting and internal region building.
it took me 2 weeks to refound 60-nation regions with 25 pilers during my time running TWPAF, and that was without defender resistance (because altright/leftwing/femdom etc.)

[Drop Your Pants]

it took me 2 weeks to refound 60-nation regions with 25 pilers during my time running TWPAF, and that was without defender resistance (because altright/leftwing/femdom etc.)

And i'm fairly certain there was some defenders in there with you. I was at least

[Zaolat]

it took me 2 weeks to refound 60-nation regions with 25 pilers during my time running TWPAF, and that was without defender resistance (because altright/leftwing/femdom etc.)

And i'm fairly certain there was some defenders in there with you. I was at least

In your arm chair as usual?

[Vincent Drake]

Stratagem, you and your RL friend consistently make it sound like you are only in it for the refound, and that defenders are only concerned about who refounds it. This is really about native status and support, without which, the region isn't "yours" to refound in the first place.

Nations have been in Boston for far longer than you have, clearly content to just answer issues. A region like that should be left alone in peace, regardless of whether outsiders feel the region is being underutilized, unless you have native support.

If you were serious about gaining native support, you would have asked the existing residents what they actually want to do. Apathy and non-response = status quo. And, if NSIDC were serious about restoring the region with native support, they would have acted in an advisory capacity, not in total control of everything the region does.

A while back, I helped advise founderless Bear Country as they considered a potential refound. For one, they reached out to me via Somy, it wasn't unsolicited. The native community taking initiative indicates that they actually want to do something. You don't just pick an arbitrary region and decide, hey let's refound this! During the process, I offered advise only - no regional controls. Both the decision-making power and in-game power were always entirely in native hands. You are only a guest in their house, you respect their authority and play by their rules. That's the way it's done.

You took the delegacy in Boston, appointed entirely non-native ROs, chose the region's embassies, chose its tags, added it to the NSIDC, added the full set of NSIDC-related embassies, decided to refound it, and banjected actual natives, without any declared native support whatsoever. You've treated this pre-existing community like it's your personal property.

[The New England Revs]

You have got to be kidding me. That’s inappropriate.

That's the spin your "friend" chose to put on it, apparently.

Do not put words in my mouth. You equated this stupid game with sexual assault, not me. Sickening.

[The New England Revs]

Stratagem, you and your RL friend consistently make it sound like you are only in it for the refound, and that defenders are only concerned about who refounds it. This is really about native status and support, without which, the region isn't "yours" to refound in the first place.

Nations have been in Boston for far longer than you have, clearly content to just answer issues. A region like that should be left alone in peace, regardless of whether outsiders feel the region is being underutilized, unless you have native support.

If you were serious about gaining native support, you would have asked the existing residents what they actually want to do. Apathy and non-response = status quo. And, if NSIDC were serious about restoring the region with native support, they would have acted in an advisory capacity, not in total control of everything the region does.

A while back, I helped advise founderless Bear Country as they considered a potential refound. For one, they reached out to me via Somy, it wasn't unsolicited. The native community taking initiative indicates that they actually want to do something. You don't just pick an arbitrary region and decide, hey let's refound this! During the process, I offered advise only - no regional controls. Both the decision-making power and in-game power were always entirely in native hands. You are only a guest in their house, you respect their authority and play by their rules. That's the way it's done.

You took the delegacy in Boston, appointed entirely non-native ROs, chose the region's embassies, chose its tags, added it to the NSIDC, added the full set of NSIDC-related embassies, decided to refound it, and banjected actual natives, without any declared native support whatsoever. You've treated this pre-existing community like it's your personal property.

Thank you for speaking at least some normalcy! I was asked to join the rejoin strictly for my WA vote, its true, because Gemma had just taken it with native support (Harumi) and replaced a non existent delegate. There was NO ONE. Just big sleepers. It was raided and raided as we sat around answering issues until that aspect got our attention and we said, why not? Lets try!

Treating the region like 1960's East Berlin is what we are trying to avoid and clearly have failed to do.

Personally the experience I have had has been so off putting, and so unfriendly that I am done with this game. I am there for my friend, and the sitting delegate already told us we will be kicked out just as soon as they can arrange it. I am sure by update tonight.

Between the sexist and insensitive commentary; to the labeling of our gaming as raiding I am, as I said, All. Set.

[Roavin]

Between the sexist and insensitive commentary; to the labeling of our gaming as raiding I am, as I said, All. Set.

You were the one that took my post showing why Stratagem shouldn't be considered a native to that level, not anybody else.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Between the sexist and insensitive commentary; to the labeling of our gaming as raiding I am, as I said, All. Set.

You were the one that took my post showing why Stratagem shouldn't be considered a native to that level, not anybody else.

Him and Centristy over in the other thread. Gotta love when "raiding is like rape!" rears it's ugly head.

[Ransium]

Blaming the victim. The culture of abuse (of logic) continues.

So she did not do everything perfect, that makes her the enemy and therefore we should attack her.

Wow. Way to encourage new players! I myself am sickened by the use of logic loops and hypocrisy so I . Am. All. Set.

Yeah, this is very clearly the language of the rape/sexual harassment. We are, as you say, talking about a fictitious region in a game. Employing this sort of language insults sexual harassment victims, escalates a thread needlessly, and is outside of the acceptable 'gameplay smack talk'.

That's the spin your "friend" chose to put on it, apparently.

Do not put words in my mouth. You equated this stupid game with sexual assault, not me. Sickening.

Blaming someone else for using the language when that is very clearly what was meant by your first comment is also flame baiting. *** The New England Revs is warned for a combination of trolling and flame baiting. ***

Now that I've officially ruled on the matter, I'd be happy if the topic of conversation returned to the region in question, rather than the sort of rhetoric that was used in this thread. Thanks.

[Stratagem]

Just....wow. Waste of a moderator, citation for my friend defending me. I am being attacked he gets two warnings for defending me.

Fratt must be pretty good friends with you!

Also, we are natives who have been trying like hell to make this a better place. Thanks for the burnout. You completely harmed a genuine attempt to make a social place for Boston folks.

Gemma

[Kyrusia]

Just....wow. Waste of a moderator, citation for my friend defending me. I am being attacked he gets two warnings for defending me.

Stratagem: *** Warning for flaming. *** And, on that note, this thread can stay locked, given how it has devolved.