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Postby Toronina » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:33 am

Under Section 44 of the Australian constitution, 1. anyone holding both Australian citzenship, and the citizenship of another country, 2. That has been attained or convicted and sentenced for treason, 3. that is bankrupt or insolvent or has been convicted of a crime with prison terms over one year, 4. holds any paying job under the crown, 5. or has any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty-five persons (This last one I admit I have no idea what it means), is ineligible to hold a seat in the House of Reprsentatives or the Senate.http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca430/s44.html

Now, as far as I know until recently this has not been much of an issue in the past. However, recently the section has seen multiple violations by various members of Parliment and Senators, including Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-27/citizenship-decision-handed-down-by-high-court/9061302

The entire thing started with Family First Senator Bob Day was found in breach of number 5. This was in April 2017, with Day resigning in November 2016. Next, was Independent and former One Nation Senator Rodney Culleton, who was declared invalid in January 2017 under number 3. The entire thing would blow up on the 14th of July 2017, when Greens Senator Scott Ludlam declared he still had citizenship from his birth in New Zealand, and resigned from Parliment. Four days after, fellow Greens Senator Larissa Waters found her parents had passed Canadian citizenship onto her. She would also resign. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-05/family-first-bob-day-election-ruled-invalid-by-high-court/8417204 http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rodney-culleton-was-never-elected-to-senate-high-court-rules-20170202-gu4kfu.html http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greens-senator-scott-ludlam-resigns-from-parliament-after-discovering-he-was-ineligible-to-stand-20170714-gxbb76.html http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/breastfeeding-senator-larissa-waters-resigns/news-story/663a391136278bf515b1acd6ba8fb1da

The current Government, led by the Liberal-National Coalition criticised the Greens Senators, a move that would bite them in the ass. On the 25th of July, Liberal-National Party Senator (the two parties have been in a coalition so long in Queensland they have merged into one party) Matt Canavan resigned from his positions of Minister of Resources and Northen Australia, believing he may hold Italian citizenship. One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts was next, being shown by Buzzfeed to have British citizenship on the 8th of August. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/19/turnbull-calls-greens-citizenship-problems-sloppiness http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-25/matt-canavan-citizenship-crisis-resigns-from-cabinet/8742702 https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/he-was-only-19

The crisis would up the ante when Deputy Prime Minister/Leader of the National Party and member for New England Barnaby Joyce, was found to be a dual citizen on August 14th. Next was National Party Deputy and Senator Fiona Nash, who was found to be a dual citizen three days later. Finally for then, Crossbencher (Independent and small party people who become extremly important in a minority government) Nick Xenophon questioned whether he held Greek, Cypriot or British citizenship, and resigned from the Senate to stand for election into state parliment. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-22/joyce-canavan-to-concede-they-are-dual-citizens/8831596 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-17/fiona-nash-says-she-is-a-british-citizen-will-not-stand-aside/8817998 https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/06/nick-xenophon-resigns-from-senate-to-run-for-state-parliament

The entire thing broiled over into seven people being refered to the High Court over citizenship. Joyce, Nash, Roberts, Ludlam and Waters were all ruled ineligible, while Canavan and Xenophon were ruled safe. However, this was not the end. President of the Senate Stephen Parry resigned after it was confirmed he had dual citizenship on the 2nd of November, while Member for Bennelong John Alexander also resigned, making the government a minority government, relying on cross benchers for supply and confidence. Others are currently rumored to be dual citizens, but this is it so far.http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/barnaby-joyce-malcolm-roberts-and-other-mps-receive-citizenship-verdict-from-high-court-20171027-gz9efa.html http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-01/stephen-parry-confirms-he-is-a-british-citizen/9106558 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-11/john-alexander-to-resign-amid-dual-citizenship-concerns/9138814

IMO its disgraceful that the government does not have this under control. Eventually you have to step up and deal with this shit, which Malcolm Turnbull is not. His words have come back to bite him, criticising the Greens, and saying that the High Court would rule in their favor. Labor have remained basically unscathed in this entire thing, with one MP in question as her renunciation confirmation came back sfter her election. There needs to be a full audit of Parliment and if needed, a federal election.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:54 am

The entire situation is fucking embarrassing, also a pretty good laugh too.

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Postby Toronina » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:56 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:The entire situation is fucking embarrassing, also a pretty good laugh too.

Theres been a ton of times I went to my family with a grin saying "such and such mjght be a duel citizen" or "such and such is a dual citizen." The only thought in my head writing this, was just how big of a clusterf **k the situation has been.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:03 am

Toronina wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:The entire situation is fucking embarrassing, also a pretty good laugh too.

Theres been a ton of times I went to my family with a grin saying "such and such mjght be a duel citizen" or "such and such is a dual citizen." The only thought in my head writing this, was just how big of a clusterf **k the situation has been.


I couldn't agree more.

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Postby Donut section » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:20 am

To be honest I'm not sure what surprised me more. That people didn't know about the dual citizenship thing, or that the greens achieved something.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:33 am

I respect the Greens and some of the others, at least, for stepping down when it was discovered. They should probably change the dual-citizenship rule for the future, but it was the law at the time, and you can't pick and choose which laws to follow.

It's a disgrace, but a kind of funny one, in its own way.
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Postby Verlzonia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:37 am

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:39 am

Verlzonia wrote:As an aussie i'm fed up with our government. Sometimes im happy the Chinese are taking over our country as at least the Chinese government gets things done.


Too bad what they get done is usually not that nice to live through...

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Postby Volkmacht » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:43 am

This has turned into a disaster of catastrophic proportions. The Governor-General should dissolve Parliament until this situation is resolved and the Australian Electoral Commission needs to be disciplined for not doing it's job.
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Postby Verlzonia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:43 am

Albrenia wrote:
Verlzonia wrote:As an aussie i'm fed up with our government. Sometimes im happy the Chinese are taking over our country as at least the Chinese government gets things done.


Too bad what they get done is usually not that nice to live through...


It's not like the politicians care about stoping chinese spys and investment.
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Postby Verlzonia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:44 am

Volkmacht wrote:This has turned into a disaster of catastrophic proportions. The Governor-General should dissolve Parliament until this situation is resolved and the Australian Electoral Commission needs to be disciplined for not doing it's job.


I met the Gov-Gen once. Would have him over any politician.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:19 am

Volkmacht wrote:This has turned into a disaster of catastrophic proportions. The Governor-General should dissolve Parliament until this situation is resolved and the Australian Electoral Commission needs to be disciplined for not doing it's job.

No thanks Richard di Natale.

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Postby Toronina » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:12 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Volkmacht wrote:This has turned into a disaster of catastrophic proportions. The Governor-General should dissolve Parliament until this situation is resolved and the Australian Electoral Commission needs to be disciplined for not doing it's job.

No thanks Richard di Natale.

I have to agree. The people don't want an election so soon. An election should only happen if needed.
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Postby The Foxes Swamp » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:03 pm

they should all be sacked and charged with fraud.
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Postby Volkmacht » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:09 pm

Toronina wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:No thanks Richard di Natale.

I have to agree. The people don't want an election so soon. An election should only happen if needed.


Barnaby Joyce was a dual citizen. Trust me, it is néeded.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:14 pm

Toronina wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:No thanks Richard di Natale.

I have to agree. The people don't want an election so soon. An election should only happen if needed.

Not just that, the Greens should not be asking the institution of the monarchy to dismiss a democratically elected government. It'd cause massive damage to our political culture.

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Bakery Hill wrote:
Toronina wrote:I have to agree. The people don't want an election so soon. An election should only happen if needed.

Not just that, the Greens should not be asking the institution of the monarchy to dismiss a democratically elected government. It'd cause massive damage to our political culture.


Hey it's one way to ensure that we don't have an Eco terrorist party in power anytime in the foreseeable future.

The turbulence would be worth that.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:35 pm

Donut section wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Not just that, the Greens should not be asking the institution of the monarchy to dismiss a democratically elected government. It'd cause massive damage to our political culture.


Hey it's one way to ensure that we don't have an Eco terrorist party in power anytime in the foreseeable future.

The turbulence would be worth that.

What on Earth are you talking about?

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Postby Donut section » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:39 pm

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Donut section wrote:
Hey it's one way to ensure that we don't have an Eco terrorist party in power anytime in the foreseeable future.

The turbulence would be worth that.

What on Earth are you talking about?


The greens shooting them selves in the foot.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:41 pm

Donut section wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What on Earth are you talking about?


The greens shooting them selves in the foot.

I don't think it'd significantly damage the Greens' political prospects. Just set a bad precedent.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:44 pm

The Foxes Swamp wrote:they should all be sacked and charged with fraud.


What did they do wrong?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:45 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Foxes Swamp wrote:they should all be sacked and charged with fraud.


What did they do wrong?

Resigning their foreign citizenship is really an obligation under the current rules.
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Postby Donut section » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:48 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Donut section wrote:
The greens shooting them selves in the foot.

I don't think it'd significantly damage the Greens' political prospects. Just set a bad precedent.


I do. I despise the top down attempt at environmental thought. So I may be a little biased.

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Postby Valgora » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:56 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
What did they do wrong?

Resigning their foreign citizenship is really an obligation under the current rules.


Weren't they the first one to have some resign over it before the other parties?
Or did I read the OP wrong?
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