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Creating a Sovereign city (What would your's be like?)

Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:56 pm

This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.

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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:12 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.

Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:15 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.

Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.


Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.

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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:17 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.


Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.

Because you have set up your business as a local government, yes, it does. I'll admit, it's an interesting thought experiment, but I have no doubt in my mind that creating a local government that is merely an extension of the local business doesn't exempt that government from extant laws.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:04 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.


Right, if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go put on Klan robes and a Nazi armband, then goosestep down the sidewalk on Main Street carrying a Confederate flag and shouting "sieg heil!", and your city can't do jack shit about it.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.


Of course if a Republican said this, the only thing you'd hear is "I want to keep the niggers and spics from voting", amiright?

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.

No, the courts would be having a field day ruling things unconstitutional...
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if I could, mine would probably be a Syndicalist Anarchist society.

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My soverign city would have a huge focus on Tech tbh.
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Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:22 am

my favorite independent cities are Salzburg and Cologne.

They were situated at commercial crossroads and controlled some key resources.
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They did not overspend on military but depended on a balance of support from neighboring duchies.

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Eugh, too much governing involved... :ugeek:
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:34 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.


Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.

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Postby Anarchitaria » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:53 am

In an ideal setting, I would form a city-state that hosts no government but a small group of individuals that will avert any semblance of an established government.

Albeit I'd accede to a minarchist system of governance, to which a night-watchman state provides only a handful of services.

In the city of Anarchopolis (unoriginal name, mind you), public order would be preserved by vigilante contingents. This is where the divide in the city begins, where we have impulsive vigilante groups/individuals champion different perspectives of justice. Nonetheless, vigilante groups in general are often concerted in operations of a larger scale (i.e. counter-terrorism).

As there is no government in Anarchopolis, and as a result interventionism is absent in the city. There is a high level of economic freedom in Anarchipolis as a result, a laissez-faire economic structure if you will. The population of Anarchopolis is, unsurprisingly, individualistic in this matter.

You'll find that people in Anarchopolis work compulsively, with little time for holidays or leisure. This is attributed to the notion that making meaningful strides in bettering the lives of others can be far more fulfilling than leisure.

The culture in the city would be more merit-based, with celebrities emitting examples of inspiring qualities instead of their fame in the studio or one's net worth. Anarchopolis is inherently cosmopolitan.

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I'd probably just have a commune.

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Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:12 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.

First off, where does any law say that private property in the US is free from federal law? Second off, corporate-states are a terrible idea, corporations and governments are already bad enough on their own. Third, nobody would want to be a member of your little authoritarian city-state.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:25 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.

Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.


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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:36 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:This conversation is about how by taking advantage of private rights of businesses and public rights of government you can effectively have a city totally sovereign from the USA

Step 1- Buying land This seems obvious but it is extremely important. All the land must be owned by one organisation and it must be connected to keep sovereignty fluent.

Step 2- Create a business and name it the same name as the city What this allows you to do is have all the land be under the direct rule of a single entity which for this to work needs to be a business. If the business controls all the land, the business can make all the (by)laws. It is important that the business is considered private and to not sell any goods or services. This makes the business free from all government regulations.

Step 3- Create a local government The local government needs to play a key roll in enforcing the (by)laws of the business. Now, this is the hardest part because obviously, the government will be subject to the constitution of both the state and federal governments. So for this to work the local government needs to pass laws that give them the right to enforce the (by)laws created by the business. If for instance, the business had a no gun policy on its property, the government would simply need to make armed trespassing a crime and make the punishment equal to the punishment in the (by)laws. If it is ex. 5 years suspension, then the government makes it 5 years in prison.

Step 4- Create a business constitution Come up with the rights that the residents have. You can do X on our property you cannot do Y on our property. This basically sets a contract that is legally binding.

Step 5- Ellections This is the hardest part of all, elections have more regulations then probably anything else, the elections must have requirements to make them legal voting residents. These are in effect your citizens. The best things, in my opinion, to have as requirements is a city ID. The requirements to get the city ID can be being born in the city, or getting housing or living there for a certain number of years. After you have the requirements its practically set as its own sovereign city state.

You now have a city state If you do this properly you will be safe from the courts, safe from state or federal legislation, and in complete control of your territory.

My sovereign city would be a gun free progressive mini-state. The business would have elections for positions like the executive and legislative positions. The formal government would exist only to enforce the business laws, and though tax loopholes the US dollars would back a separate city currency used by all sub-businesses and purchases in the city.


You can't create a sovereign city that ignores US federal law, or state law for the state your city is in.
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DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Postby Sovaal » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:40 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.


Curses, foiled again

Don't know why at this point he hasn't just advocated for a fascist liberal coup.
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Postby Khasinkonia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:41 am

I would create the Totalitarian Cibocracy of New Orleans delegated by the Grand Board of Culinary Excellence and ruled with the desire to create the most delectable foods in the world.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:44 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Well done, you've discovered the Company Town. Much as I'm sure we'd all appreciate going back to the 1800s, your company town would not be sovereign, it would not be independent of the State or Federal Government, and it would still have to abide by the Constitution.

I regret to inform you that you haven't stumbled upon a loophole, or otherwise outsmarted the US government.


Privet entities do not need to allow constitutional rights on their property or in their business. I would not be required at all to allow say firearms on my property or business property.


Collecting taxes, having elections/government, and having laws makes it a town, not a business.
Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Taralania » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:46 am

idk, id make one where everything is legal

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