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Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

Postby Conscentia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:11 pm


The Left-Wing Discussion Thread
Vol. III
Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb



Welcome all to the Left-Wing Discussion Thread (LWDT), where all are welcome to discuss all matters pertaining to the political left. This is a discussion thread about left-wing politics, not a thread exclusively for left-wing people. All are invited to post here, as long as discussion pertains to the topic and complies with the forum rules.

Suggestions for improvements, changes, or additions to the poll and opening post are very welcome.

The previous iteration of the LWDT can be found here.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

  • The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the political left.
  • Left-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
  • News and history relevant to the political left.
  • Left-wing responses to current events.
  • Left-wing perspectives on social and economic problems.
  • Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political left.
  • The problems facing particular left-wing movements or the political left in general, and how to resolve them.

Poll History:

”What kind of Leftist are you?”
  • Centrist/Moderate/Third wayer - 279 (13%)
  • Social Liberal - 259 (12%)
  • Social Democrat - 338 (16%)
  • Green Progressive - 188 (9%)
  • Democratic Socialist - 433 (20%)
  • Marxist Communist - 246 (12%)
  • Anarchist Communist - 202 (10%)
  • Other (please state) - 176 (8%)
Total Votes: 2121 (Recorded 28/11/2016)

”What type of leftist are you?”
  • Left-leaning Centrist - 50 (12%)
  • Social Liberal - 57 (14%)
  • Social Democrat - 62 (15%)
  • Democratic Socialist - 80 (19%)
  • Marxist Communist - 59 (14%)
  • Anarchist Communist - 41 (10%)
  • Collectivist Anarchist - 9 (2%)
  • Individualist Anarchist - 10 (2%)
  • Revolutionary Syndicalist - 22 (5%)
  • Other (Please State) - 28 (7%)
Total Votes: 418 (Recorded 26/12/2016)

”What type of leftist are you?”
  • Left-leaning Centrist - 57 (13%)
  • Left/Social Liberal - 51 (12%)
  • Social Democrat - 73 (17%)
  • Democratic Socialist - 78 (18%)
  • Libertarian Marxist - 22 (5%)
  • Other Marxist - 43 (10%)
  • Social Anarchist - 31 (7%)
  • Individualist Anarchist - 13 (3%)
  • Revolutionary Syndicalist - 21 (5%)
  • Other (Please State) - 47 (11%)
Total Votes: 436 (Recorded 05/02/2017)

”Favourite Left-Wing Thinker?”
  • John Rawls - 11 (7%)
  • John Stuart Mill - 12 (8%)
  • Karl Marx - 44 (29%)
  • Max Stirner - 11 (7%)
  • Simone de Beauvoir - 1 (1%)
  • Noam Chomsky - 13 (9%)
  • Peter Kropotkin - 30 (20%)
  • Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - 6 (4%)
  • Slavoj Žižek - 7 (5%)
  • Other (Please State) - 15 (10%)
Total Votes: 150 (Recorded 19/02/2017)

”Favourite Left-Wing Politician?”
  • Bernie Sanders - 25 (17%)
  • Clement Attlee - 9 (6%)
  • Eugene V. Debs - 19 (13%)
  • Franklin D. Roosevelt - 37 (25%)
  • François Mitterand - 1 (1%)
  • Nikita Krushchev - 4 (3%)
  • Nelson Mandela - 21 (14%)
  • Salvador Allende - 8 (5%)
  • Tony Benn - 4 (3%)
  • Other (Please State) - 23 (15%)
Total Votes: 151 (Recorded 14/03/2017)

”Favourite Left-Wing Social Movement/Revolution?”
  • French Revolution, 1789 (France) - 61 (14%)
  • Spring Of Nations, 1848 (Europe) - 34 (8%)
  • October Revolution, 1917 (Russia) - 60 (14%)
  • Spanish Revolution, 1936 (Spain) - 57 (14%)
  • Chinese Communist Revolution, 1946 (China) - 14 (3%)
  • Resistance To Apartheid, 1950 (South Africa) - 24 (6%)
  • Cuban Revolution, 1953 (Cuba) - 19 (5%)
  • Civil Rights Movement, 1954 (USA) - 123 (29%)
  • Occupy Movement, 2011 (International) - 10 (2%)
  • Other (Please State) - 19 (5%)
Total Votes: 421 (Recorded 29/7/2017)

”Preferred economic system?”
  • Welfare Capitalism 92 (23%)
  • Market Socialism 62 (16%)
  • Mutualism 10 (3%)
  • Syndicalism 40 (10%)
  • Communalism 13 (3%)
  • State Planning 36 (9%)
  • Decentralised Planning 27 (7%)
  • Higher Phase Communism 38 (10%)
  • Left-wing Market Anarchism 15 (4%)
  • Other 67 (17%)
Total Votes: 400 (Recorded 05/11/2017)


Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to left-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.



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Other useful resources:

If you’re interested in discussing matters pertaining to the political right, there’s also a Right-Wing Discussion Thread.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:16 pm

Yay, new thread.

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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:20 pm

My vote for the new title is 'Ctrl+Alt+Left'.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:26 pm

I voted for Individualist Anarchism, because Rothbard did nothing wrong.
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Postby Improved werpland » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Left Liberal is a less confusing term than Social Liberal imo.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:30 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:I voted for Individualist Anarchism, because Rothbard did nothing wrong.

"We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical." - Rothbard

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Italios » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:32 pm

LWDT III: Self Crit Now or Ban
LWDT III: Classless not Classy
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Postby Jelmatt » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:50 pm

Italios wrote:LWDT III: Self Crit Now or Ban
LWDT III: Classless not Classy


LWDT III: We Have No Class
LWDȾ III: Because Proper Ts are Theft

These are terrible suggestions, sorry.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:22 pm

Improved werpland wrote:Left Liberal is a less confusing term than Social Liberal imo.


I consider myself to be both a social liberal and a left-leaning centrist. Within the limitations of the Pew Political Typology quiz for the US, I’d say I’m mostly inbetween “Opportunity Democrat/Next-gen Left” and “Solid Liberal”, but also leaning slightly towards “Devout and Diverse” and possibly the GOP-leaning “New Enterprisers/Young Outsiders”.
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Postby The V O I D » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:24 pm

LWDT III: NO CLASSISTS ALLOWED

I don't fucking know what I'm doing tbh, just a dumb suggestion.

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Postby Collatis » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:32 pm

Jelmatt wrote:LWDȾ III: Because Proper Ts are Theft

:clap:

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PRO: social democracy, internationalism, progressivism, democracy,
republicanism, human rights, democratic socialism, Keynesianism,
EU, NATO, two-state solution, Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders
CON: conservatism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, neoliberalism,
death penalty, Marxism-Leninism, laissez faire, reaction, fascism,
antisemitism, isolationism, Republican Party, Donald Trump


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Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:46 pm

LWDT III—In Defense of J. Posadas
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:02 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I voted for Individualist Anarchism, because Rothbard did nothing wrong.

"We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical." - Rothbard

did nothing wrong
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Postby Bhikkustan » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:21 pm

Other: Please Post

Left wing Sunni Khomenei'ism :p
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:29 pm

I'd be a leftist in the 1800s.

My chief enemies are the king and his crown. When do we go all Robespierre, fellow revolutionaries?
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The Liberated Territories wrote:I'd be a leftist in the 1800s.

My chief enemies are the king and his crown. When do we go all Robespierre, fellow revolutionaries?

I'm against the English crown yet in favor of the French and Russian monarchies.
Robespierre was a hack.
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Left-wing Utopia

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FUTBOL GANG
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Postby Collatis » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:I'd be a leftist in the 1800s.

My chief enemies are the king and his crown. When do we go all Robespierre, fellow revolutionaries?

I'm against the English crown yet in favor of the French and Russian monarchies.

why though

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EU, NATO, two-state solution, Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders
CON: conservatism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, neoliberalism,
death penalty, Marxism-Leninism, laissez faire, reaction, fascism,
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:48 pm

Collatis wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm against the English crown yet in favor of the French and Russian monarchies.

why though

My hope is absolutism.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:48 pm

Collatis wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm against the English crown yet in favor of the French and Russian monarchies.

why though

Where monarchy is best suited at quelling leftism, I will view it favorably.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:01 pm

All this spam and opportunism really rattles my armchair
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:02 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Collatis wrote:why though

My hope is absolutism.

Eww, I'm all for a little authoritarianism, but not about that absolute monarchy life.

There really should be 2 choices allowed on the poll imho.
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Postby Collatis » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:03 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Collatis wrote:why though

Where monarchy is best suited at quelling leftism, I will view it favorably.

Ah yes, you truly are one of the real liberals. Pogroms and famines are essential tools in combating the red menace.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Collatis wrote:why though

My hope is absolutism.

That would be a better reason tbh.

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