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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:11 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3bSzDQ1Po

So I was just thinking about this movie; one supposedly based on a true story. These stock fraudsters were caught on tape scamming their own customers. Several customers. They were, essentially, repeat offenders, and everyone in the office was complicit in this. Yet the few they did catch were given a temporary sentence instead of a life sentence, because their testimony against each other "led to conviction."

Why do you need their "testimony?" Why isn't the wiretapped audio of their phone conversations evidence enough?

EDIT: In retrospect part 2 went too far. Scrapped.

EDIT again: I've since come up with another alternative to the former part 2. Even if he was in jail, why couldn't he be in solitary so he can't scam fellow prisoners?
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:30 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:1. Why do you need their "testimony?" Why isn't the wiretapped audio of their phone conversations evidence enough?


Because it wouldn't have imprisoned everyone involved.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:03 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:1. Why do you need their "testimony?" Why isn't the wiretapped audio of their phone conversations evidence enough?


Because it wouldn't have imprisoned everyone involved.

Was "everyone involved" imprisoned anyway? I assumed from the others in the office smirking that it's implied that a majority of those in the office were not arrested. If that's the case, the tradeoff becomes "a few arrested, but in jail for only a few years because they testified against each other" vs. "even fewer arrested, but in jail for life so they can't scam any more innocent people when they get out."
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:45 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3bSzDQ1Po

So I was just thinking about this movie; one supposedly based on a true story. These stock fraudsters were caught on tape scamming their own customers. Several customers. They were, essentially, repeat offenders, and everyone in the office was complicit in this. Yet the few they did catch were given a temporary sentence instead of a life sentence, because their testimony against each other "led to conviction."

Why do you need their "testimony?" Why isn't the wiretapped audio of their phone conversations evidence enough?

EDIT: In retrospect part 2 went too far. Scrapped.

EDIT again: I've since come up with another alternative to the former part 2. Even if he was in jail, why couldn't he be in solitary so he can't scam fellow prisoners?


I don't think they give out life sentences for fraud (no matter how serious).

As for other white collar crimes the sentences are mostly a joke.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:25 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3bSzDQ1Po

So I was just thinking about this movie; one supposedly based on a true story. These stock fraudsters were caught on tape scamming their own customers. Several customers. They were, essentially, repeat offenders, and everyone in the office was complicit in this. Yet the few they did catch were given a temporary sentence instead of a life sentence, because their testimony against each other "led to conviction."

Why do you need their "testimony?" Why isn't the wiretapped audio of their phone conversations evidence enough?

EDIT: In retrospect part 2 went too far. Scrapped.

EDIT again: I've since come up with another alternative to the former part 2. Even if he was in jail, why couldn't he be in solitary so he can't scam fellow prisoners?


First, most people don't care about prisoner rights. Second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhXMl_DRnXY
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Postby Mazujotai » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:30 pm

Because that's how the legal system works? I don't know man I think your taking this movie far more seriously than it needs to.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:14 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3bSzDQ1Po

So I was just thinking about this movie; one supposedly based on a true story. These stock fraudsters were caught on tape scamming their own customers. Several customers. They were, essentially, repeat offenders, and everyone in the office was complicit in this. Yet the few they did catch were given a temporary sentence instead of a life sentence, because their testimony against each other "led to conviction."

Why do you need their "testimony?" Why isn't the wiretapped audio of their phone conversations evidence enough?

EDIT: In retrospect part 2 went too far. Scrapped.

EDIT again: I've since come up with another alternative to the former part 2. Even if he was in jail, why couldn't he be in solitary so he can't scam fellow prisoners?



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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:20 am

This appears to be a case of overthinking movies. When something says "based on a true story" they generally mean it shares maybe one or two plot points and everything else has been changed. Overthinking these things just results in uncovering numerous logical errors and mistakes made by the production team, nothing more.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:00 am

Because cumulative evidence is always good? If you just have tapes and then and then a clever explanation, a cleverer reading of the rules, or a successful attempt to have critical parts of the tape excluded means now nobody goes to jail and nobody gets made whole.
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Postby Polvatsiya » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:26 am

Testimonies were needed as additional evidence of other clandestine activities other than what was recorded.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:42 am

The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.
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Postby Polvatsiya » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:46 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.

Who gives a shit who you work with?
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:47 am

Polvatsiya wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.

Who gives a shit who you work with?


People who watch a movie and make a career choice based on it.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:10 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.


fuck you just ruined all my hopes, i really wanted to participate in all that fun atop the nyc skyline :(
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:52 am

Trumptonium wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.


fuck you just ruined all my hopes, i really wanted to participate in all that fun atop the nyc skyline :(


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Postby Polvatsiya » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:05 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Polvatsiya wrote:Who gives a shit who you work with?


People who watch a movie and make a career choice based on it.


Ah, i thought you were just braggin', fella. Sorreh.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:33 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete.

Then why not push to reinstate the financial regulations meant to prevent the kinds of things Belfort did? If such firms are obsolete, surely they'll have nothing left to lose from facing such regulations, right? Such regulations; and news thereof; might convince such people more than those who work in the industry they already perceive as a cesspool of scammers do.

Also, your workplace isn't necessarily a representative sample. For all you know it could be an island of sanity in a sea of coke-addled STD-ridden stock fraudsters. A movie isn't verifiable, but something based on a book is a couple steps closer than a random webforum post. (Er... no offense. I say that about every online anecdote, including my own.)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:23 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.


Is it a very miserable job? Or do you like?
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:08 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.


Is it a very miserable job? Or do you like?


you know you can telegram or just google stuff like that...
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:21 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:The Wolf of Wall Street? You mean the movie that made middle class high schoolers suddenly interested in finance when they had no idea what it actually is? Literally, because of this movie and The Big Short to a lesser extent, I have to meet with a bunch of dumb potential interns asking me if my office is like what's portrayed in the movie and if I've ever done coke.

This is how I reply:

"First of all, dipshit, online brokerages have made things like Jordan Belfort's enterprise obsolete. Second of all, I work for an investment bank, which is a lot cooler than being a sleazy salesman broker like Belfort was. Third of all, Belfort made of a joke of it. Are cocaine and alcohol a part of the industry? Yes. But if you have to ask, you're probably some dweebish GDI virgin so no you won't get invited to partake with the team."

The people I work with emulate American Psycho more than they do The Wolf of Wall Street.


Is it a very miserable job? Or do you like?


It pays the bills.
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Postby Herador » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:24 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Is it a very miserable job? Or do you like?


It pays the bills.

Hundred-hour weeks to "pay the bills"? Sounds awful.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:37 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Is it a very miserable job? Or do you like?


It pays the bills.


Well I should hope so.
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
It pays the bills.


Well I should hope so.


Would be funny if it didn't.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:12 am

Herador wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
It pays the bills.

Hundred-hour weeks to "pay the bills"? Sounds awful.


That's why comp's great.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:13 am

Trumptonium wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Well I should hope so.


Would be funny if it didn't.


Does Guggenheim even pay their interns?
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