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Postby Covonant » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:05 pm

The Fascist Dilemma





Following the rise of a fascist San Montagna following reports of tensions among minorities demanding more freedom, the San Montagnan regime has embarked on policies dealing with the abuse and subjection of refugees, advancement in territorial expansion which resulted in its condemnation and removal from the League of the Western Isles. Regional leaders, particularly those in the South Mesder region have began to grow perturbed at the thought of a powerful San Montagna.
Following the attack and invasion of Mario Island by San Montagnan Fascist forces, The Union of Covonant Government in fearing for the rise of a militant Mesder fascist power sought to confront the country with sanctions which in turned saw San Montagnan placing sanctions on Covonant. The country was on a collision course of destruction when having received sanctions from regional powers and foreign states expressed the intent of carrying out an attack on Coalition of Six (C6) member state and Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) member Athara Magarat. The South Mesder area allies are beefing up preparation for the imminent attack due anytime. The goal for the allies: remove non democratic threat from their respective sphere of influence.

News Event



These are news events that have led to the current problem so far for those who have not been keeping abreast with what has been happening and how we have reached at this point.

Tensions rise as minority demands freedom

Benito Militia Begins a coup in Sabazio, PM unable to escape

Coup Succesful in San Montagna

San Montagnan Airforce Continues Bombing Run, Benito Responds to Polar Svalbardian Condemning of San Montagna's Fascist Government

Benito Announces the Country will drive off Bhikkustani Refugees with Rubber Bullets

Armed Forces Begin Friuli Island Counter-Offensive, Benito Condemns Kachee Sultanate, Communism, Athara Magarat

San Montagnan Forces Retake Fiumara and Friuli Isle

Covonant Outlines Sanction on San Montagna

The Beginning of the End, The Invasion of Mario Island has begun, Benito Condems Covonant Sanctions, imposes his own

Prime Minister Gais Condemns San Montagna; Calls Sanctions Ludicrous,
Foreign Minister; Covonant and San Montagna can't Coexist,
Defense Minister; Troops to Mobilize to Naval Base in Athara Magarat,
Covonant Extends Sanctions to Belle Ilse en Terre; Calls for their Removal from JEF


San Montagna Warns Covonant to Pull its forces from Athara Magarat

Prime Minister Gais: Athara Magarat; Red Line That Must Not Be Crossed,
Foreign Minister arrives in Albion Invicta,
Defense Minister: San Montagna Ultimatum Ridiculous


Outlined Planning



This is the planning of action to date:

* With increased international pressure from Covonant and Covonantian allies and regional partners, San Montagna grows infuriated of being targeted, outlines plans to attack Athara Magarat.

*Ultimatum made towards Covonant will be dismissed, prompting immediate mobilisation of troops led by the Coalition of Six and the Joint Expeditionary Force

*San Montagna is expected to launch invasion attack on Athara Magarat by Sunday (Initially Monday, but their hopes is to catch us somewhat off guard). To occupy Myagdi Island and Eastern Athara Magarat

*Immediate declaration of war and deployment of C6 troops leading to a C6 operation with support from JEF to invade San Montagna, while carrying out attempts to recapture Athara Magarat pushing the San Montagnan forces out.

*Information arise that Belle Ilse en Terre provided mercenaries to San Montagna leading to their removal from JEF and condemnation.

*Liberating of Mario Island and Fiumara and Friuli Isle

*Advancement made on mainland San Montagna

*Liberating of the country, with expected assassination of Benito Franco and instilling democratic regime.

*Temporary occupation of San Montagna by C6/JEF forces. League called to observe implementing of new government.

NOTE THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY TIMELINE EVENTS. WILL UPDATE AS WE GO ALONG

Nations involved

San Montagna-Fascist state targetted following series of invasion on Athara Magarat
Vancouvia-Assist in pushing San Montagnan forces out. Aid in recapturing eastern Athara Magarat and Myagdi Island

Belle Ilse en Terre-Found to secretly support San Montagna. Provides mercenary to the San Montagnan regime'

Miklania-Provides additional patrol of South Mesder waters while providing intel concerning San Montagnan fleet position.

Coalition of Six (C6)-Leading the retaliation and subsequent occupation of San Montagna
Albion Invicta
Covonant
Domanania
Keomora
Noronica
Wellsia
Athara Magarat (Associate member)


Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF)
-Providing reinforcements and assistance to Coalition of Six force in retaliatory attack on San Montagna (To provide access to base and military equipments, along with provision of troops)


Albion Invicta (Founder)
Athara Magarat
Belle Ilse en Terre*
Covonant
Keomora
Wellsia

*Will update when other states outline interest and purpose.


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*Normal TWI rules apply.

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The purpose for this thread is to plan likely scenario and identify each roles and extend likely outcomes while establishing set goals.
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Postby Ostehaar » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:37 pm

Hmm. Who is on his side? I doubt if there's a need for such a force...

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Postby Covonant » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:39 pm

That is what I am hoping to get soon...It would be nice if San Montagna had at least one ally.
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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:11 pm

Covonant wrote:That is what I am hoping to get soon...It would be nice if San Montagna had at least one ally.


Yeah then the odds would only be 11-2 haha

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Postby Albion Invicta » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:33 am

Am I not in the C6 anymore or something?

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Postby Albion Invicta » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:47 am

Aye, one could argue that San Mont has not really done anything wrong (excluding sanctions and attacks) - but I think in many peoples eyes it's clear that the country is too unstable and that something must be done.

In Albion's case, I think they're wishing for a quick and decisive victory in the air, but know deep down some kind of occupation to keep the country stable is on the table.

In case you missed it, news article stating that Albion makes clear we stand with Covonant and preparations to receive foreign militaries :

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=337003&p=32701057&hilit=Albion#p32701057
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:34 am

Covonant wrote:That is what I am hoping to get soon...It would be nice if San Montagna had at least one ally.

I can provide some mercenaries for him.
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Postby Albion Invicta » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:46 am

You would? That would make things interesting... Would force your ejection from JEF and would tie my naval forces down enforcing an embargo.

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Postby San Montagna » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:41 am

Here are the basic plans for Operation Avanti the Plan for attack on Athara Magarat (Note that you would not know of this Ic, also if there is anything I missed, should have added or simply does not make sense please notify me. Also, its been about a year and 2 months since my last war Rp so be weary to notify me of Godmodding and and other such things since I am probably a bit Rusty)

Plan:

Zero hour: San Montagnan aircraft and missiles,(yes we actually have some, Aster missiles gifted by Italy) bombard Bases, airfields and Ports in AM, destroying airstrips, aircraft, vessels and military equipment of the enemy.

San Montagnan Marines and Infantry land in 2 locations:
The first force is too capture Myagdi Island, Lowering the Morale of AM troops, The landings would begin by naval Bombardment and all the regular things. The Myagdi Island Airport is too serve as an airstrip for San Montagnan aircraft, vital for the fight for aerial superiority, AA defense and all that stuff would obviously be set up as well. civilian weapons would be confiscated as well.
The Second landing, is too advance to New Libang, all while encircling troops when the other San Montagnan force arrives on the mainland, so not Myagdi Island. the Capture of New Libang would hopefully lead to the capitulation of AM and the end of the war.
These forces would be well equipped and supplied regularly with vehicles, armaments and more. The total number of soldiers in these operations would be roughly something from 50 000- 60 000. These Soldiers would be supplied with the beast equipment possible.

The third of the landings, Which is too land roughly in the middle of the other two landing sites, would land later than the other two, while enemy forces are preoccupied. The Landing would be done by a small number of Specials forces, something from 100-400, these forces would disrupt and ambush Supply lines, Communication and power lines(If there are any) which connect The troops in Myagdi and the ones defending the other landing force.

The invasion would take advantage of their initial numerical advantage, as their are less than 20 000 Athara magarati troops in total due to several being stationed in other places and a there is also a good number of other nations troops, but we would still have the initial advantage. to keep the advantage, Destroyers, Submarines, would be sent to attempt to block off Athara Magarat and Sink enemy reinforcements. If the plan succeeds, we would call for peace because frankly there is no way we would go attack all enemy nations one by one.

Forgot about the Vancouvian-Am Rp, and Van is not happy about this interfering in his thing, so this most likely won't happen, probably should have looked into active Rps, so this one is on me

Here are Defensive Measures,
Every Beach is basically a Fortress, AA guns are basically everywhere, Aircraft are ready at anytime to intercept enemy bombers and such, SM-Lancia Surface to air missile launchers and BM-30 smerch systems are also ready to launch its load at anytime at enemy aircraft, Patrol craft would be patrolling the seas at all times, watching out for enemy vessels and Aircraft. Also, since there are roughly 60 000 troops preparing for the invasion, that gives us 180 000 troops plus 300 000 reserves for defense against naval and paratroop invasion. the main defensive line is the mountain line, literaly just mountains which have been transformed into a great defensive line, a-la Swiss alps. the Montagnan alps basically divide northern and southern Mainland San Montagna, this has been mentioned in the Khas kirat Rp thread. To get too Sabazio you would have too go past the alps.

In the end, if we somehow win, Goals: install fascist government in Athara Magarat, the other nations would have to pay reparations, we would probably also get AM to blockade the Kachee Sultanate because we hate Communism. Also, possibly territorial gain, like taking control of an island in the sea which is ruled by an enemy nation or something.


Thoughts? note this is a basic plan and does not go to deeply into details.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:47 am

Here's something you missed: AM and I are in the process of a long vietnam style RP and currently there are almost a thousand troops working alongside AM in counter-terrorism operations, stationed in cities, or offloading from ports. Are you interrupting our RP on purpose or were you unaware

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Postby San Montagna » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:54 am

mostly unaware, I had heard about it but I was not sure if it was still ongoing,

AM had offered that I attack, but the most likely scenario is that I am reversed and am then invaded myself in a week or too.

But i suppose that adjustments can be made, so it does not really intervene in your Rp, so just a bombing run on Covonantian airbases or something like that.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:58 am

San Montagna wrote:mostly unaware, I had heard about it but I was not sure if it was still ongoing,

AM had offered that I attack, but the most likely scenario is that I am reversed and am then invaded myself in a week or too.

But i suppose that adjustments can be made, so it does not really intervene in your Rp, so just a bombing run on Covonantian airbases or something like that.


I mean the fact that I wasn't even invited to this thread when I have an active RP there really says something about your planning and your care for other RPs

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Postby San Montagna » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:02 am

I didn't Create the thread, that was Covonant,

He's the one running the Rp, i'm just the evil nation which needs to be brought down
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Postby Atnaia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:03 am

What about me? I've claimed solidarity here, and would be interested in being involved (once the situation with Van is sorted, since Van is right, this steps right in the middle of something pre-existing). I need something to spread me even a little bit more thin for the sake of the Merritian Secession thread and this seems right to me.

San Montagna wrote:I didn't Create the thread, that was Covonant,

He's the one running the Rp, i'm just the evil nation which needs to be brought down

He means your plan steps in the middle of his thing, not the concept of the RP as a whole.
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Postby San Montagna » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:09 am

I understand, adjustments to the plan will be made. any one has a better Idea to start a war in a fascist way?
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Postby Corindia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:26 am

I'm not in C6 or JEF but could definitely be down to help out with this, if it's wanted

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Postby Covonant » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:20 am

Albion you are a member of the C6 i will adjust that. To note SM your goal isnt for total invasion of Am (not the impression i had) but to carry out systematic attacks on the country. Basically Benito is hellbent on showing his military strength while underestimating the might of the collective C6/JEF. This explains why he would conduct attacks earlier than expected thinking it would catch us off guard. Van is correct in that this RP must no interfere much with his RP so a one off attack or failed attempt at partial invasion could do. Seeing Van has a sizeable force in AM and interest to secure there is no denying their involvement to provide defense. We have an idea of how to start the conflict leading up to collective retaliation on SM and subsequent removal of Benito, the next planning should be after defeating SM what's next. The suggestion by Albion is nice on occupation and rebuilding the country...but we shall continue with planning.

Edit: This RP is to have inspiration from the Libyan Crisis that led to the ousting of Ghaddafi and the invasion of iraq.
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Postby Covonant » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:25 am

Corindia wrote:I'm not in C6 or JEF but could definitely be down to help out with this, if it's wanted

I see your involvement coming about once the stage of occupation/rebuilding process has commenced.
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Postby Noronica » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:30 am

I would be happy to join in retaliation to San Montagna's aggression against Athara Magarat and with the C6 being mobilised if everyone is fine with me joining?

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Postby Covonant » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:39 am

Sure the retaliation is a C6/JEF initiative. The occupation stage would involve other states outside C6/JEF. Now understanding San Montagna is not an NPC I dont see the occupation of the country going like San Javier maybe along the lines of Arvan but the country and its infrastructure will be destroyed and major efforts will be needed to reconstruct while forming a new government.
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Postby Corindia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:42 am

Covonant wrote:
Corindia wrote:I'm not in C6 or JEF but could definitely be down to help out with this, if it's wanted

I see your involvement coming about once the stage of occupation/rebuilding process has commenced.

whatever works

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Postby Verona Beach » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:50 am

Since I'm just now in the JEF, I have a proposal. A 72-hour ultimatum for
  • Benito Franco to step down and turn himself in for prosecution regarding human rights abuses
  • The fascist government, with it's party, to dissolve and form into a non-partisan transition government
  • That transition government formed to begin working towards free and fair elections
  • These upcoming elections to be monitored by outside groups to ensure fairness
  • Any potential WMDs to be completely dismantled and removed from the nation, subject to international inspectors
Any suggestions?
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Postby Albion Invicta » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:02 am

That's what I was thinking as well Covonant - it's probably going to end up as either Iraq style situation - where we occupy and rebuild the country for a long time - or a Lybia situation - where we nip on, destroy the 'bad guys' and be in home in time for Christmas ...

And Verona, I thought you only wanted to temporarily join the JEF?
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Postby Verona Beach » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:12 pm

I'm fine with a permanent stay. What do you think of the ultimatum?
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