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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:50 pm

Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?

Good on the governor. Hopefully he preemptively orders up the national guard in case things go south.
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:54 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Governor Scott has declared a state of emergency for Alachua County ahead of Richard Spencer's planned speech on Thursday on the campus of the University of Florida.

In my opinion, this is a good move on the Governor's part, and a shit one on Spencer's part. I'd rather not see a Nazi in my home state, and I'd much rather not see another bout of violence caused by a Nazi. I've always been politically against Nazis and Nazism, and against really letting them spread their Nazism. I'm also, frankly, concerned about the well-being of several of my friends at the University. So, again, I'm entirely in support of Governor Scott's measures here.

What are your thoughts, NSG?

Good on the governor. Hopefully he preemptively orders up the national guard in case things go south.

No, hilarious; he's ginning up controversy which will be the one thing that actually causes trouble.
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Postby Shikihara » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:56 pm

While I'm all for diversity of opinions in universities, really have no idea what a Neo Nazi populist is supposed to contribute to an academic setting, besides maybe giving protesters something to do. Glad the governor is preparing in advance for the storm.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:57 pm

Look at Scott actually doing something right for once. Almost broke the political nicknaming rule there :P It's just very rare that I've actually heard him called by his name XD
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:58 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Good on the governor. Hopefully he preemptively orders up the national guard in case things go south.

No, hilarious; he's ginning up controversy which will be the one thing that actually causes trouble.

By making sure that nothing goes wrong? That's like saying putting sanitation trucks on the streets during a parade is an invitation for terrorism
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Postby United States of Red Dawn » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:00 pm

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United States of Red Dawn wrote:No, hilarious; he's ginning up controversy which will be the one thing that actually causes trouble.

By making sure that nothing goes wrong? That's like saying putting sanitation trucks on the streets during a parade is an invitation for terrorism

Terrorists have most things planned in advance. There will be a knee-jerk reaction to this.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:07 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:By making sure that nothing goes wrong? That's like saying putting sanitation trucks on the streets during a parade is an invitation for terrorism

Terrorists have most things planned in advance. There will be a knee-jerk reaction to this.

So we shouldn't be prepared and take any precautions because it might upset some feefees?
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Postby Atkemri » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:11 pm

I think he should have let him speak. Even though he's a Nazi free speech is important,but I see why seeing what happened in Charlottesville.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:13 pm

Atkemri wrote:I think he should have let him speak. Even though he's a Nazi free speech is important,but I see why seeing what happened in Charlottesville.

Did you actually read the article and the OP? The Nazi is still allowed to speak
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:20 pm

Shikihara wrote:While I'm all for diversity of opinions in universities, really have no idea what a Neo Nazi populist is supposed to contribute to an academic setting, besides maybe giving protesters something to do. Glad the governor is preparing in advance for the storm.


Real life devil's advocate? Poster child of how not to think? Or the university is pulling the ultimate example of troll baiting.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:21 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Atkemri wrote:I think he should have let him speak. Even though he's a Nazi free speech is important,but I see why seeing what happened in Charlottesville.

Did you actually read the article and the OP? The Nazi is still allowed to speak


Sadly, at that, knowing how these Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist rallies usually go.
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Postby Community Values » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:23 pm

It should be the university's call, not the governer's.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:23 pm

I'm with Therm. Have the Nasty Girls all up in there, and let them get nasty if they need to.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:24 pm

Community Values wrote:It should be the university's call, not the governer's.


The university's already spent $500,000 on security. The Governor's likely called the SoE in case they need a rapid response for violence.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:25 pm

Sure, let the asshole speak. Free speech and all, yes? But, Rick Scott is being smart with these preemptive measures, for certain.
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Postby Community Values » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Community Values wrote:It should be the university's call, not the governer's.


The university's already spent $500,000 on security. The Governor's likely called the SoE in case they need a rapid response for violence.

I'm fine with it then. We all know how protests usually go, especially in the South.
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:30 pm

If there was any way at all to handle this in a less obtrusive manner then that's what Scott should have done. In any case the guy should have the opportunity to speak. Civilized people do not demonstrate that their adversaries are incorrect by silencing them, to quote an old man speaking through an imaginary person "when you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar." The hard light of day and the knife fight that is the market place of ideas cleanses the world of unworthy opinions fashioned in smoke filled basements underneath gun shops.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:34 pm

Des-Bal wrote:If there was any way at all to handle this in a less obtrusive manner then that's what Scott should have done. In any case the guy should have the opportunity to speak. Civilized people do not demonstrate that their adversaries are incorrect by silencing them, to quote an old man speaking through an imaginary person "when you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar." The hard light of day and the knife fight that is the market place of ideas cleanses the world of unworthy opinions fashioned in smoke filled basements underneath gun shops.


Scott isn't not allowing him speak, he is simply taking caution for when Spencer does speak.

What happened at Berkeley when Coulter and Milo tried to speak was actually quite bad, and the anti-free speech college kids sure didn't help. Scott is merely saying "we saw violence there, let's make sure that when a controversial figure speaks, he has the freedom to do so but precautions are in place."

That is reasonable.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:35 pm

Atkemri wrote:I think he should have let him speak. Even though he's a Nazi free speech is important,but I see why seeing what happened in Charlottesville.


He is being allowed to speak, yes?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:37 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Scott isn't not allowing him speak, he is simply taking caution for when Spencer does speak.

What happened at Berkeley when Coulter and Milo tried to speak was actually quite bad, and the anti-free speech college kids sure didn't help. Scott is merely saying "we saw violence there, let's make sure that when a controversial figure speaks, he has the freedom to do so but precautions are in place."

That is reasonable.

I'm aware of that, I was saying that the least obtrusive option would be the best one and I'm not sure placing the county under a state of emergency was necessarily that. If this was the absolute only way to get adequate security then fine.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:37 pm

Can someone over there just dress him the fuck down instead? This aura of the dangerous man only helps his cause and boosts his narrative.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:37 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Scott isn't not allowing him speak, he is simply taking caution for when Spencer does speak.

What happened at Berkeley when Coulter and Milo tried to speak was actually quite bad, and the anti-free speech college kids sure didn't help. Scott is merely saying "we saw violence there, let's make sure that when a controversial figure speaks, he has the freedom to do so but precautions are in place."

That is reasonable.

I'm aware of that, I was saying that the least obtrusive option would be the best one and I'm not sure placing the county under a state of emergency was necessarily that.


Ehh, I think all it entails is that police presence will be amped up and on high alert. We saw what happened in Virginia, so precautions are necessary. So long as Florida doesn't go full Berkeley.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:38 pm

With any luck the anti free speech morons won't start a riot.
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:40 pm

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Shikihara wrote:While I'm all for diversity of opinions in universities, really have no idea what a Neo Nazi populist is supposed to contribute to an academic setting, besides maybe giving protesters something to do. Glad the governor is preparing in advance for the storm.


Real life devil's advocate? Poster child of how not to think? Or the university is pulling the ultimate example of troll baiting.


It's Spencer knowing how to get publicity. Universities are public places, so they can't usually bar a speaker from appearing. Spencer and company also don't have to foot the bill for security because the university has to cover it, and perhaps most of all having it at a university guarantees that they get ample counterprotestors and attention.
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