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Mars or a border wall?

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Should the US build a wall or land on Mars?

Border Wall!
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Mars!
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I'm not murican so Border Wall
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I'm not murican so Mars!
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Mars or a border wall?

Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:31 am

If you had to choose which one the US should do which would it be? Mars Direct or a Border wall with Mexico? Both have a similar price tag ($30b - $50b and $20b - $70b) and for the sake of the discussion assume they are both feasable. Also assume neither isn't an option.

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Postby Livian Nations » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:32 am

Mars.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:33 am

Border wall around Mars.
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Postby Trepolita » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:33 am

Mars.

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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:34 am

Mars. I don't want Mexicans to be banned from entering the US. Plus, space is important for science and the humanity
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Postby Trepolita » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:34 am

Aclion wrote:Border wall around Mars.

And have Jupiter pay for it! ;)

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Postby Xibei-San-Ma » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:34 am

Ohh, Mars then.
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Postby Novus Maryland » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:34 am

Mars, definitely. Would benefit mankind.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:34 am

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:If you had to choose which one the US should do which would it be? Mars Direct or a Border wall with Mexico? Both have a similar price tag ($30b - $50b and $20b - $70b) and for the sake of the discussion assume they are both feasable. Also assume neither isn't an option.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:35 am

Mars of course. Other methods (Like satellite/drone surveillance of the border) can be used to stop illegal immigration, but building a wall across the entire US-Mexican border is a monetarily wasteful idea.

Mars missions and colonization over the wall, definitely.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:35 am

Obviously Mars. That would be a vast achievement of science, the wall meanwhile would be a monument to human stupidity.
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Postby Destructive Government Economic System » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:35 am

At least doing something with Mars could prove useful.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:35 am

Mars, then build a wall around it.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 am

Mars. Hands down. American space empire shall flourish!!
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:37 am

We could build a huge and thin reflective wall (Orbital mirror) for heating up Mars for terraforming, but that's centuries from now.
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Postby Coalition of North American States » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:39 am

MARS! If we don't expand, we will go extinct. Besides, spaceships!
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:43 am

Mars.

Then move all immigrants there, so no wall needed :)
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:50 am

Border wall.
I want the British to get to mars first.
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Okay, Mars.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:01 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Border wall.
I want the British to get to mars first.
...

Okay, Mars.


British to get to mars first, or before America? Because neither is likley. :p
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:03 am

Keep a few dozen billion bucks in the treasury.
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Postby The Greater German Federal Republic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:05 am

Mars and a wall to keep rogue mars rovers out
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:05 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Border wall.
I want the British to get to mars first.
...

Okay, Mars.


British to get to mars first, or before America? Because neither is likley. :p


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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:06 am

Going to Mars has the potential to benefit humanity as a whole, even though I'm personally not sure about whether it's worth the risk to send crewed missions yet rather than landers and rovers.

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Postby The Greater German Federal Republic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:07 am

Vassenor wrote:Going to Mars has the potential to benefit humanity as a whole, even though I'm personally not sure about whether it's worth the risk to send crewed missions yet rather than landers and rovers.

Building a wall does nothing except satisfy the ego of one particular manbaby.

We have to take great risks if we want to truly advance, it was the same thing when Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:08 am

The Greater German Federal Republic wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Going to Mars has the potential to benefit humanity as a whole, even though I'm personally not sure about whether it's worth the risk to send crewed missions yet rather than landers and rovers.

Building a wall does nothing except satisfy the ego of one particular manbaby.

We have to take great risks if we want to truly advance, it was the same thing when Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space


Which is why I said yet rather than saying we never should.
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