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Saudi Arabia lets women drive

Postby Kennlind » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:58 pm

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Saudi Arabia announced on Tuesday that it would allow women to drive, ending a longstanding policy that has become a global symbol of the repression of women in the ultraconservative kingdom.
The change, which will take effect in June of next year, was announced on state television and in a simultaneous media event in Washington. The decision highlights the damage that the no-driving policy has done to the kingdom’s international reputation and its hopes for a public relations benefit from the reform.
Saudi leaders also hope the new policy will help the economy by increasing women’s participation in the workplace. Many working Saudi women spend much of their salaries on drivers or must be driven to work by male relatives.
Saudi Arabia, home to Islam’s holiest sites, is a Muslim monarchy ruled according to Shariah law. Saudi officials and clerics have provided numerous explanations for the ban over the years.
Some said that it was inappropriate in Saudi culture for women to drive, or that male drivers would not know how to handle having women in cars next to them. Others argued that allowing women to drive would lead to promiscuity and the collapse of the Saudi family. One cleric claimed — with no evidence — that driving harmed women’s ovaries.
Rights groups have long campaigned for the ban to be overturned, and some women have been arrested and jailed for defying the prohibition and taking the wheel.
The momentum to change the policy picked up in recent years with the rise of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the king’s 32-year-old son, who has laid out a far-reaching plan to overhaul the kingdom’s economy and society.
Ending the ban on women driving is expected to face some resistance inside the kingdom, where families are highly patriarchal and some men say they worry about their female relatives getting stranded should their cars break down.
So-called “guardianship” laws give men power over their female relatives. Women cannot travel abroad, work or undergo some medical procedures without the consent of their male “guardian,” often a father, a husband or even a son.
While the enforcement of these laws has loosened in recent years, there is little to stop Saudi men from greatly limiting the movements of their wives or daughters.
The royal decree lifting the no-driving ban left open the question of whether women would need a male relative’s permission to obtain a driver’s license.


Saudi Arabia, a bastion of progressivism and human rights in the Middle East has finally caved in, and women come closer and closer to having the same rights as animals. An excellent victory, yet it's sad we should consider it one. Incredible how a US/UK ally is still able to treat women like shit, its revolting. What do you think NSG, should we force/pressure Saudi Arabia into doing more or let them continue at their slow pace?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:00 pm

Man, Saudi Arabia is super slow.

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:00 pm

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Postby Sovaal » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:07 pm

Woo, progress truly unknown for this century./s

Kennlind wrote:Source
Saudi Arabia announced on Tuesday that it would allow women to drive, ending a longstanding policy that has become a global symbol of the repression of women in the ultraconservative kingdom.
The change, which will take effect in June of next year, was announced on state television and in a simultaneous media event in Washington. The decision highlights the damage that the no-driving policy has done to the kingdom’s international reputation and its hopes for a public relations benefit from the reform.
Saudi leaders also hope the new policy will help the economy by increasing women’s participation in the workplace. Many working Saudi women spend much of their salaries on drivers or must be driven to work by male relatives.
Saudi Arabia, home to Islam’s holiest sites, is a Muslim monarchy ruled according to Shariah law. Saudi officials and clerics have provided numerous explanations for the ban over the years.
Some said that it was inappropriate in Saudi culture for women to drive, or that male drivers would not know how to handle having women in cars next to them. Others argued that allowing women to drive would lead to promiscuity and the collapse of the Saudi family. One cleric claimed — with no evidence — that driving harmed women’s ovaries.
Rights groups have long campaigned for the ban to be overturned, and some women have been arrested and jailed for defying the prohibition and taking the wheel.
The momentum to change the policy picked up in recent years with the rise of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the king’s 32-year-old son, who has laid out a far-reaching plan to overhaul the kingdom’s economy and society.
Ending the ban on women driving is expected to face some resistance inside the kingdom, where families are highly patriarchal and some men say they worry about their female relatives getting stranded should their cars break down.
So-called “guardianship” laws give men power over their female relatives. Women cannot travel abroad, work or undergo some medical procedures without the consent of their male “guardian,” often a father, a husband or even a son.
While the enforcement of these laws has loosened in recent years, there is little to stop Saudi men from greatly limiting the movements of their wives or daughters.
The royal decree lifting the no-driving ban left open the question of whether women would need a male relative’s permission to obtain a driver’s license.


Saudi Arabia, a bastion of progressivism and human rights in the Middle East has finally caved in, and women come closer and closer to having the same rights as animals. An excellent victory, yet it's sad we should consider it one. Incredible how a US/UK ally is still able to treat women like shit, its revolting. What do you think NSG, should we force/pressure Saudi Arabia into doing more or let them continue at their slow pace?


Sounds an awful lot like that "American Imperialism" you go on about.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:09 pm

I thought women already drove men insane. And vice versa. Oh, you mean driving cars... :P
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Shofercia wrote:I thought women already drove men insane. And vice versa. Oh, you mean driving cars... :P

I prefer to drive oxen myself.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:10 pm

There is absolutely no reason why women should not be allowed to drive. What is their justification? Nowhere in the Quran does it say or even hint anything about it. This change is long overdue.
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Postby Senitdoqi » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:11 pm

Kennlind wrote:Source
Saudi Arabia announced on Tuesday that it would allow women to drive, ending a longstanding policy that has become a global symbol of the repression of women in the ultraconservative kingdom.
The change, which will take effect in June of next year, was announced on state television and in a simultaneous media event in Washington. The decision highlights the damage that the no-driving policy has done to the kingdom’s international reputation and its hopes for a public relations benefit from the reform.
Saudi leaders also hope the new policy will help the economy by increasing women’s participation in the workplace. Many working Saudi women spend much of their salaries on drivers or must be driven to work by male relatives.
Saudi Arabia, home to Islam’s holiest sites, is a Muslim monarchy ruled according to Shariah law. Saudi officials and clerics have provided numerous explanations for the ban over the years.
Some said that it was inappropriate in Saudi culture for women to drive, or that male drivers would not know how to handle having women in cars next to them. Others argued that allowing women to drive would lead to promiscuity and the collapse of the Saudi family. One cleric claimed — with no evidence — that driving harmed women’s ovaries.
Rights groups have long campaigned for the ban to be overturned, and some women have been arrested and jailed for defying the prohibition and taking the wheel.
The momentum to change the policy picked up in recent years with the rise of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the king’s 32-year-old son, who has laid out a far-reaching plan to overhaul the kingdom’s economy and society.
Ending the ban on women driving is expected to face some resistance inside the kingdom, where families are highly patriarchal and some men say they worry about their female relatives getting stranded should their cars break down.
So-called “guardianship” laws give men power over their female relatives. Women cannot travel abroad, work or undergo some medical procedures without the consent of their male “guardian,” often a father, a husband or even a son.
While the enforcement of these laws has loosened in recent years, there is little to stop Saudi men from greatly limiting the movements of their wives or daughters.
The royal decree lifting the no-driving ban left open the question of whether women would need a male relative’s permission to obtain a driver’s license.


Saudi Arabia, a bastion of progressivism and human rights in the Middle East has finally caved in, and women come closer and closer to having the same rights as animals. An excellent victory, yet it's sad we should consider it one. Incredible how a US/UK ally is still able to treat women like shit, its revolting. What do you think NSG, should we force/pressure Saudi Arabia into doing more or let them continue at their slow pace?

Nice job, Saudi Arabia.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:12 pm

Good, wish they would a fuck lot more but fuck it its something.

As for why the US and UK wont do anything about it? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that weapon and oil deal money, and those bases mmmmmmmmm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Good, wish they would a fuck lot more but fuck it its something.

As for why the US and UK wont do anything about it? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that weapon and oil deal money, and those bases mmmmmmmmm

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Fucking how long have you been waiting to use that :lol:

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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:14 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Good, wish they would a fuck lot more but fuck it its something.

As for why the US and UK wont do anything about it? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that weapon and oil deal money, and those bases mmmmmmmmm

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Fucking how long have you been waiting to use that :lol:


Longer than I care to admit. :p

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:14 pm

Not gonna happen.

They're going to find some loophole to prevent all but a select few wives of influential ministers and/or members of the royal family, who are capable of applying political pressure, from driving.

When I was in Qatar they gave an impossible driving course to women drivers in our area, guaranteeing they would fail. You had to reverse down the steepest incline I'd ever seen with an extremely narrow surface, and execute a perfect "T" shape with the car once you got to the bottom, turning the vehicle into a perfect right angle. Whereas whenever a man applied for a license all he had to do was drive the instructors around the block. The Qataris got a big kick out of it because they could say they let women drive, but in reality only a select few with influential husbands were allowed to pass.

I imagine something similar will happen in Saudi Arabia. They'll figure something out that's equally devious while patting themselves on the back to the rest of the world.
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Sovaal wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Good, wish they would a fuck lot more but fuck it its something.

As for why the US and UK wont do anything about it? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that weapon and oil deal money, and those bases mmmmmmmmm


Fucking how long have you been waiting to use that :lol:

He has a box of non-politically correct memes hidden under a stack of playboys hidden from his mother.

Neat.

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Good, wish they would a fuck lot more but fuck it its something.

As for why the US and UK wont do anything about it? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that weapon and oil deal money, and those bases mmmmmmmmm


Fucking how long have you been waiting to use that :lol:


Longer than I care to admit. :p
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Force them with what?
Military? Killing people doesn't solve issues.
Sanctions? Been there and done that.

They're making progress, let's not reward that with death and economic instability.
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Anyway, good, I guess? I mean, it's definitely good compared to the alternative, but welcome to the 19th century, Saudi Arabia. We will monitor your progress.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:17 pm

...well, that explains the flying pigs I saw on my way home... :P

I hope that they actually do so and not just pretend they do but make it difficult to do so.
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Vovodoco wrote:Force them with what?
Military? Killing people doesn't solve issues.
Sanctions? Been there and done that.

They're making progress, let's not reward that with death and economic instability.

Sure it does. It's just a barbaric and evil way of doing it.
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Galloism wrote:Anyway, good, I guess? I mean, it's definitely good compared to the alternative, but welcome to the 19th century, Saudi Arabia. We will monitor your progress.


Like I said, a meaningless gesture because they'll find some loophole to deny most women drivers anyway.
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Postby Sulania » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:19 pm

Considering the religious grip on the nation and the social mores of that society, women may be able to drive, but I doubt that the society and informal authorities will permit it.

It'll probably be treated as a decriminalized social taboo.
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Luziyca wrote:I hope that they actually do so and not just pretend they do but make it difficult to do so.


Thank you for stating this, it needs to be acknowledged by more posters.

That is exactly what they'll do.
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Postby Segral » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:20 pm

It's kind of sad that Saudi Arabia's gone to the point where allowing women to drive is a victory.
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Postby Alanis Star » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:21 pm

Well, it's a step in the right direction, but we will have to see.

I'm just scared that "Women cannot drive properly" will take over again. We take it as a joke, but you know, they will interpret it otherwise.

* Just to clarify that no, I don't believe that women are more incapable of driving; being a moron (a few other things, like weather conditions) is a cause for accidents.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:21 pm

Will they need a man in the car while they drive?
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:22 pm

I hope they'll teach them to park.
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