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Should it be illegal to write slogans on bank notes?

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Should it be illegal to write slogans on bank notes?

Postby New Luckyland » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:44 pm

The tallow 5 pound note proved so "popular" in the UK that now the mint have started to issue higher meat-based denominations. I could handle carrying a few more pound coins around in order to avoid using the objectionable five-pound notes. If all paper notes are replaced by these new tallow notes, I cannot use modern currency without betraying my personal values. Cash is important to me in my day to day life.

The mere existance of meaty tenners means I cannot use cashpoint machines. Meaty tenners means I have to weigh myself down with pound coins if I want to go to a pub or nightclub.

Can I legally write "meat is murder" on every objectionable note that passes through my hands? (What research I have done seems to say case law is more liberal than statute, but this varies from country to country.)

If not have my rights been violated? What options does an individual have to object to such a fiscal policy?

I believe writing on bank notes should not compromise the security features of that note, and it should not be done to intimidate or cause offense. Other than that anything goes.

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Postby Volkmacht » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:45 pm

I'm pretty sure defacing currency is illegal no matter what you write on it.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:47 pm

I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine you can write anything that doesn't make the note ineffective as legal tender. No writing over the security features.

That said, NSG is not your lawyer. Posit something as a topic for discussion or your thread will be locked.
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Postby Union of Despotistan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:01 pm

It should be illegal as money is propriety of the Government that the tax payer has to pay to make new ones.
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Postby New Luckyland » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:04 pm

I am just going to have to do it and find out, aren't I.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:12 pm

Meat is delicious and defacing currency is a crime. Spend the money on some meat and eat it.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:12 pm

New Luckyland wrote:I am just going to have to do it and find out, aren't I.

Okay, so, I work in an off license. If we take in a fake note without noticing, what happens is we'll try to deposit it in the bank, and the bank tells us "Sorry, this note is counterfeit". And we lose that money. The bank destroys it without compensating us. Obviously, or everyone who made counterfeit notes would just deposit them in the bank and get it all back in real money.

So if writing on a note does make it no longer legal tender, that probably won't be noticed until it's deposited in a bank. If you give your written on tenner to a taxi driver, to a barrista, to whoever, then they'll be out a tenner when they try to put it in the bank. You'll have gotten your goods or services, and they won't have been paid, essentially.

Keep that in mind if you're dead set on vandalising all your meat money.
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Postby New Luckyland » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:14 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:Meat is delicious and defacing currency is a crime. Spend the money on some meat and eat it.


I appreceate your comment, but I don't see you as someone who has my best interests at heart. I am going to end up with socks-full of loose change.
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Postby Minoa » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:20 pm

Hi, for the record I originally raised the issue of this thread asking for legal advice in moderation, but I have since deleted the thread since now the author has made it more discussion-like to be acceptable. However, I am a banknote collector so I don't think defacing it is a good idea by default, but it depends on the situation because I actually liked the poster made out of hyper-inflationary Zimbabwean banknotes.

Source: https://britishmuseum.tumblr.com/post/1 ... f-the-citi

I don't think that (despite all the bad things going on in the UK) we are at the same level as Venezuela yet.
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Postby New Luckyland » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:
New Luckyland wrote:I am just going to have to do it and find out, aren't I.

Okay, so, I work in an off license. If we take in a fake note without noticing, what happens is we'll try to deposit it in the bank, and the bank tells us "Sorry, this note is counterfeit". And we lose that money. The bank destroys it without compensating us. Obviously, or everyone who made counterfeit notes would just deposit them in the bank and get it all back in real money.

So if writing on a note does make it no longer legal tender, that probably won't be noticed until it's deposited in a bank. If you give your written on tenner to a taxi driver, to a barrista, to whoever, then they'll be out a tenner when they try to put it in the bank. You'll have gotten your goods or services, and they won't have been paid, essentially.

Keep that in mind if you're dead set on vandalising all your meat money.


My first test will be to take a note into to the bank and say to them that I have been passed this note that appears to have been vandalized.

What you say does bother me. I don't know for sure but I get the impression that in the UK writing on bank-notes is technically illegal, but is not prosecuted that often.

I know the laws on what is legal tender in the UK can be pretty peculiar. I think they tend to the pragmatic more than the dogmatic, but I don't want to encourage other people to debase their own moneys.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:35 pm

New Luckyland wrote:
Empire of Narnia wrote:Meat is delicious and defacing currency is a crime. Spend the money on some meat and eat it.


I appreceate your comment, but I don't see you as someone who has my best interests at heart. I am going to end up with socks-full of loose change.

I do have your best interests at heart. You'll be happy eating some delicious meat. Worrying over stupid shit like what money is made of isn't healthy. Just learn to not give a shit and enjoy a hamburger. You will like it. Trust me.

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Postby New Luckyland » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:48 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
New Luckyland wrote:
I appreceate your comment, but I don't see you as someone who has my best interests at heart. I am going to end up with socks-full of loose change.

I do have your best interests at heart. You'll be happy eating some delicious meat. Worrying over stupid shit like what money is made of isn't healthy. Just learn to not give a shit and enjoy a hamburger. You will like it. Trust me.


I have been there and I know what bacon tastes like. I am just not going back.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:20 pm

Ifreann wrote:I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine you can write anything that doesn't make the note ineffective as legal tender. No writing over the security features.

That said, NSG is not your lawyer. Posit something as a topic for discussion or your thread will be locked.


In the states that would be corect. A bank will probably pull it, but yeah.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:22 pm

Volkmacht wrote:I'm pretty sure defacing currency is illegal no matter what you write on it.

In some cases one could even refuse to accept defaced notes.
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Postby Cedoria » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:26 pm

Depends on where you write it, how much it obscures etc...

That said, it's a pretty fruitless and stupid thing to do even if not illegal. I don't see why you'd worry about it.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:31 pm

Which animals is it murder to kill?
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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:32 pm

Cedoria wrote:Depends on where you write it, how much it obscures etc...

That said, it's a pretty fruitless and stupid thing to do even if not illegal. I don't see why you'd worry about it.

I don't think he has problems with fruitless stuff, more likely he has problems with non animal-product-less stuff.

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Postby Rusozak » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:35 pm

I've had multiple cashier jobs, handling hundreds of dollars every day. What I usually see on bills is a little stamp for some bill-tracker website. So long as the currency is usable, I see little issue.

Besides, how the hell would that even be enforced? It's a pretty harmless activity that would cost more to enforce the ban than the defaced money is worth.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:49 pm

Anyway, yes, defacing pound notes is a crime.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo ... section/12

And no, that being a crime doesn't violate anyone's rights. If you want to hand out your propaganda, do it with your own paper.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:50 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Which animals is it murder to kill?


Whatever it is, soon enough some will be considering plastic usage as "heretical".

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Postby Albrenia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:52 pm

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a 'meat-based' currency. I've played too much KoL and am imagining people paying for stuff with slabs of beef.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:57 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Which animals is it murder to kill?


Whatever it is, soon enough some will be considering plastic usage as "heretical".

Heresy is a sort of opinion.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:58 pm

Albrenia wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but what is a 'meat-based' currency. I've played too much KoL and am imagining people paying for stuff with slabs of beef.


He is referencing to tallow, which is animal fat.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:01 pm

Albrenia wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but what is a 'meat-based' currency. I've played too much KoL and am imagining people paying for stuff with slabs of beef.

Vegans maintain that the currency everyone uses must be made according to vegans' preferences.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... n-friendly
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Postby Albrenia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:14 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but what is a 'meat-based' currency. I've played too much KoL and am imagining people paying for stuff with slabs of beef.


He is referencing to tallow, which is animal fat.


Oh. Well, that's not really bad then...

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