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[DRAFT/REPEAL] Repeal Reproductive Freedoms

Postby Dobrobyt » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:33 pm

ORIGINAL DRAFT

Fellow WA nations,

SHOCKED that the current bill dictates over a nation's choices and beliefs on abortion, without them being able to change the situation in most cases.

LOOKING that people and mothers maintain rights, but that it is respected that others have varying beliefs on the subject.

RECOGNIZING that certain nations do not support abortion due to religon or moral standards.

Yet, AWARE that other nations discard these beliefs and believe their own, which see abortion as helpful or harmless.

ACKNOWLEDGING that this repeal will work out to balance this resolution.

CONFIRMING that repealing this bill will still keep the rights of your countries' citizens if you so choose, but strike void the mandatory WA restrictions to allow abortions.

ACCEPTING that a nation should have its freedoms on especially such a mixed and controversial topic.

Hereby repeals GAR#286, "Reproductive Freedoms" .

Learning from my last attempt to repeal this bill, this repeal is written for a different purpose. This purpose being to maintain a nation's freedom. Especially on such a topic, the WA should not dictate our actions. If there will be a resolution to replace this, which anyone can contribute to, we will work for a bipartisan solution to end this debate once and for all. Feel free to make constructive contributions.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:35 pm

First, there are already the provisions in the resolution 'On Abortion', so I am unclear on whether or not your claims here are in fact, factual. You may also want to look into making sure that your proposal does not run afoul of the National Sovereignty repeal rule (absurd rule as it is).

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Postby Araraukar » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:34 pm

OOC: I suggest steering clear of trying this repeal. It's been tried over and over and over again, and it's failing pretty much with higher and higher percentages...
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Postby Deropia » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:32 pm

OOC: Which I think might have something to do with beating a dead horse. It's been voted on enough times at this point I think people are just sick of seeing it.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:40 pm

Deropia wrote:OOC: Which I think might have something to do with beating a dead horse. It's been voted on enough times at this point I think people are just sick of seeing it.

Ooc: this author has already tried and failed once.

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Postby Tinfect » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:27 pm

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Haven't you already tried this? Are you really that determined to waste everyone's time all over again?
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Postby Dobrobyt » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:51 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: I suggest steering clear of trying this repeal. It's been tried over and over and over again, and it's failing pretty much with higher and higher percentages...


I have faith in a repeal less focused on morality and beliefs, and more on freedoms of nations, as well as remembering our religious and conservative friends in the process.
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Postby Dobrobyt » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:52 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Haven't you already tried this? Are you really that determined to waste everyone's time all over again?


If you all are going to freak out over this being a repeal of the bill, then just leave. I'd prefer constructive criticism, not "you already did it!1111". I will keep fighting on.
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:30 pm

Dobrobyt wrote:If you all are going to freak out over this being a repeal of the bill, then just leave. I'd prefer constructive criticism, not "you already did it!1111". I will keep fighting on.


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If you want 'constructive criticism', here's some right now: Abandon this draft and do something else. It has been tried countless times in the past by yourself and by better authors than you. Continuing to attempt this is a waste of your time and ours that will serve only to jump-start another unproductive shitstorm of OOC bickering that will drown out any other activity in the GA for some time.
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Postby Deropia » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:49 am

Dobrobyt wrote:If you all are going to freak out over this being a repeal of the bill, then just leave. I'd prefer constructive criticism, not "you already did it!1111". I will keep fighting on.



OOC: A quick look through the WA Archives shows 4 repeal attempts on Reproductive Freedoms, all of which I found to have more compelling arguments than this. At least other repeal authors have tried to find a flaw in the execution of the resolution as opposed to sticking to the 'my country should be free to do what it wants because of moral reasons.' argument. So as others have said, I'd drop this and find something else to legislate on, Reproductive Freedoms seems to be here to stay.
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Postby Tzorsland » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:02 am

As others have pointed out it will never get through because you can't argue on the basis of national sovereignty alone (because the majority of nations already voted their sovereignty away when they first voted for it).

"Reproductive Freedoms" is the pink unicorn of the General Assembly. A super majority of people think the resolution says something completely different than what it actually says and the rest don't care. NOTHING will convince the super majority that this is the greatest abortion bill of all time (when in fact it doesn't mention abortions whatsoever). If you really want to make an argument, go for the jugular and kill On Abortion. But I wouldn't recommend that either; On Abortion puts more pro-life restrictions on abortion than is the norm in most places around the world, believe it or not.

You don't seen "creative solutions" to go around Reproductive Freedoms, so why bother repealing it when you can drive oil tankers through the loopholes? Why not let it stand to show how utterly STUPID the players of NationStates are.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:06 am

The Versilian ambassador simply takes a look at the title and then sets her copy of the draft alight, tossing the burning paper in the bin. "Versilia and her people do and always shall discard and oppose any repeal of Reproductive Freedoms. Abortion is a choice and must be available to all those who seek it. Put simply, completely and utterly opposed."
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:09 am

"This repeal is even worse than the last attempt by the very same delegation. I predict it will lose by the same, if not higher, margins as the earlier repeal. Constructive criticism would be to abandon this folly, recognise that womens rights are here to stay, and update your morality to more modern standards."


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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:19 am

OOC: As several others pointed out, this is illegal as a NatSov-only repeal. You'll need to add some other arguments to get it submission-ready.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:21 am

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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:52 pm

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:07 pm

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "Ugh... not this AGAIN!"

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Teran Saber: "Must you waste this assembly's time like this? You've already made a previous attempt and you're not the only one to do so. Honestly, at this moment I would be supportive of a repeal blocker so that we never have to deal with this again."


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Postby Fauxia » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:02 pm

OoC: I hate GA #286, but I think this is a NatSov only repeal
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Postby The Bible Baptist Republic » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:44 am

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Postby Greater Gilead » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:40 am

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As always, we are in favor of repealing this resolution. And don't take the advise of some ambassadors around here and give up, keep fighting! People seem to think that a repeal makes abortion illegal, but it will not. We need to help them see this.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:57 am

Greater Gilead wrote:(Ambassador Sheridan Baldwin stands.)
As always, we are in favor of repealing this resolution. And don't take the advise of some ambassadors around here and give up, keep fighting! People seem to think that a repeal makes abortion illegal, but it will not. We need to help them see this.
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"Nobody thinks that. We're just unwilling to let other nations make abortions illegal in a manner as to deprive their women of their right to choose."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"Nobody thinks that. We're just unwilling to let other nations make abortions illegal in a manner as to deprive their women of their right to choose."


"At least that is how the illusion goes and everyone loves that illusion. The first question is what is the woman choosing? What does Reproductive Freedoms do to promote that 'choice?' I don't see choices in Reproductive Freedoms whatsoever. It does state, 'Member Nations recognize the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures' which is far from guaranteeing the right. Moreover it doesn't mention what procedures we are we talking about. It doesn't guarantee that all procedures are equally available and accessible and that includes 'abortions.' It doesn't take a creative solution to supply C-sections to women, if they were safe and openly accessible."
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Postby Fauxia » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:15 pm

Tzorsland wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Nobody thinks that. We're just unwilling to let other nations make abortions illegal in a manner as to deprive their women of their right to choose."


"At least that is how the illusion goes and everyone loves that illusion. The first question is what is the woman choosing? What does Reproductive Freedoms do to promote that 'choice?' I don't see choices in Reproductive Freedoms whatsoever. It does state, 'Member Nations recognize the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures' which is far from guaranteeing the right. Moreover it doesn't mention what procedures we are we talking about. It doesn't guarantee that all procedures are equally available and accessible and that includes 'abortions.' It doesn't take a creative solution to supply C-sections to women, if they were safe and openly accessible."
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Tzorsland wrote:
"At least that is how the illusion goes and everyone loves that illusion. The first question is what is the woman choosing? What does Reproductive Freedoms do to promote that 'choice?' I don't see choices in Reproductive Freedoms whatsoever. It does state, 'Member Nations recognize the right of all individuals to have their pregnancies terminated through safe, openly accessible procedures' which is far from guaranteeing the right. Moreover it doesn't mention what procedures we are we talking about. It doesn't guarantee that all procedures are equally available and accessible and that includes 'abortions.' It doesn't take a creative solution to supply C-sections to women, if they were safe and openly accessible."
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