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What is your denomination?

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Eastern Orthodox
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1%
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6%
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52
13%
Methodist
9
2%
Baptist
44
11%
Other Evangelical Protestant (Pentecostal, Charismatic, etc.)
24
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6
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The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

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This is the ninth version of the Christian discussion thread, where participants can discuss Christianity in general, the differences between the denominations, general comparative theology (both within and without Christianity), Church history, and many other topics.

While discussion naturally covers a broad range of themes, members of the moderation team (including those participating in the thread), may occasionally gently suggest that some topics might be best taken to a separate thread; this will usually only occur when a subject is itself the subject of discussion in recurring separate NSG threads and would risk dominating this thread if discussed here (examples include, but are not limited to, abortion, homosexuality, the existence of the historical Jesus and/or the existence of God.)

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The Federation of Kendor wrote:What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

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Luminesa wrote:GREETINGS MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS. AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A CHRISTIAN PARTY.


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What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?
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Lady Scylla wrote:What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

If seems to me that Jefferson was trying to change Jesus into someone he liked, instead of following him wholeheartedly.

Oh and also it speaks in Revelation about how changing the words of God is a sin, so the Jefferson bible is a sin-filled document.
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The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

If seems to me that Jefferson was trying to change Jesus into someone he liked, instead of following him wholeheartedly.

Oh and also it speaks in Revelation about how changing the words of God is a sin, so the Jefferson bible is a sin-filled document.


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To continue a discussion from the previous thread, it is true that the United States (and any other nation) has to serve the interests of the state before God (thus is the nature of secularism). It doesn't explain, however, why so many Christians aren't themselves going out of their way to attempt to change policy in such a way as to make sure that refugees and immigrants are freely welcomed into their nation, and to make sure that Christians who hold differing views on immigration are smacked in the head with Matthew 25.
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

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Dylar wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

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Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Dylar wrote:There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

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Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps Tars can fill you in on that one?

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Catholic Corporatism right now.

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The Norgan Alliance wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

If seems to me that Jefferson was trying to change Jesus into someone he liked, instead of following him wholeheartedly.

Oh and also it speaks in Revelation about how changing the words of God is a sin, so the Jefferson bible is a sin-filled document.


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Dylar wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps Tars can fill you in on that one?


From a Protestant perspective, at least, Martin Luthernproginally moved the apocryphal texts to the back of the Bible in its own section. They weren't removed until later because translators considered them less important than the other books of the Bible, I think after his death, and the Protestant Bible was based on a different canon.
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Dutch Congo wrote:Catholic Corporatism right now.

Clerical Fascism right now.

Tempting.

But.

How about.

No?

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Vulkata II wrote:Thoughts on the Westboro Baptist church?

I think they are radicals. They make modern pop songs into their propaganda songs preaching their values, and more things.

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The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Dylar wrote:There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

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Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary



I don't know if I'm the best to fill you in, I'm pretty biased on the subject.

"Officially" the seven apocryphal texts were removed from Protestant canon because they don't appear in the Hebrew canon. However the truth is much more sinister, in that the Protestant reformers, Luther in particular, tried to remove books from the canon that contradicted their theology. Luther, for instance, tried to get James removed, going so far as calling it the "epistlenof straw" primarily for its emphasis on works as necessary for salvation. But fortunately other reformers rejected this effort.
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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary



I don't know if I'm the best to fill you in, I'm pretty biased on the subject.

"Officially" the seven apocryphal texts were removed from Protestant canon because they don't appear in the Hebrew canon. However the truth is much more sinister, in that the Protestant reformers, Luther in particular, tried to remove books from the canon that contradicted their theology. Luther, for instance, tried to get James removed, going so far as calling it the "epistlenof straw" primarily for its emphasis on works as necessary for salvation. But fortunately other reformers rejected this effort.

Isn't it also true that Luther tried getting rid of Revelation?

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:47 am

Dylar wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

I don't know if I'm the best to fill you in, I'm pretty biased on the subject.

"Officially" the seven apocryphal texts were removed from Protestant canon because they don't appear in the Hebrew canon. However the truth is much more sinister, in that the Protestant reformers, Luther in particular, tried to remove books from the canon that contradicted their theology. Luther, for instance, tried to get James removed, going so far as calling it the "epistlenof straw" primarily for its emphasis on works as necessary for salvation. But fortunately other reformers rejected this effort.

Isn't it also true that Luther tried getting rid of Revelation?


I'm not entirely sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. Revelation is an.... odd... book to say the least.
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