FBI, Homeland Security warn of more Antifa attacks

[Angbhand]

I'd just like some proof they hate those groups.

Aside from reading the article I provided, just Google Antifa violence.

You'll find they beat the shit out of all kinds of people.

68 people killed by WN/WS

0 killed by antifa

Sorry that they busted up some Starbucks window, pepper sprayed some nazis and beat the shit out of people calling for genocide. But these things happen.

[Pope Joan]

The FBI got it right; these are terrorists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfiMUoPP9PM

[Atlexil]

Shouldn’t the government be focusing more on domestic terrorism due to the greater damage potential? Also, whatever your political affiliation is we should really call out the extremists on both sides instead of blaming each other. Because whether their racists advocating for the oppression/genocide of people who aren’t white or self-righteous vigilantes who are acting like the thing they’re trying to stop…these people are dangerous, and they have the potential of becoming something much worse if the regular public at large doesn’t take action.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ted-states

I'm a left leaning centrist I hate fascism, Nazism, hatred, ignorance, tyranny, along with every other philosophy that aims to deny people their identity as people and their rights. This type of stuff is dangerous, and we need to be on our toes.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Strength to love

"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background or his religion. People learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can learn to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."- Nelson Mandela

"Hatred is like acid- it will eat into your soul and kill you before you die"- J.M. White

[Angbhand]

Shouldn’t the government be focusing more on domestic terrorism due to the greater damage potential? Also, whatever your political affiliation is we should really call out the extremists on both sides instead of blaming each other. Because whether their racists advocating for the oppression/genocide of people who aren’t white or self-righteous vigilantes who are acting like the thing they’re trying to stop…these people are dangerous, and they have the potential of becoming something much worse if the regular public at large doesn’t take action.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ted-states

I'm a left leaning centrist I hate fascism, Nazism, hatred, ignorance, tyranny, along with every other philosophy that aims to deny people their identity as people and their rights. This type of stuff is dangerous, and we need to be on our toes.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Strength to love

"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background or his religion. People learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can learn to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."- Nelson Mandela

"Hatred is like acid- it will eat into your soul and kill you before you die"- J.M. White

MLK also said a riot is the language of the unheard. You cool with that too? Can't pick and choose.

[Atlexil]

Shouldn’t the government be focusing more on domestic terrorism due to the greater damage potential? Also, whatever your political affiliation is we should really call out the extremists on both sides instead of blaming each other. Because whether their racists advocating for the oppression/genocide of people who aren’t white or self-righteous vigilantes who are acting like the thing they’re trying to stop…these people are dangerous, and they have the potential of becoming something much worse if the regular public at large doesn’t take action.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/ ... ted-states

I'm a left leaning centrist I hate fascism, Nazism, hatred, ignorance, tyranny, along with every other philosophy that aims to deny people their identity as people and their rights. This type of stuff is dangerous, and we need to be on our toes.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Strength to love

"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background or his religion. People learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can learn to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."- Nelson Mandela

"Hatred is like acid- it will eat into your soul and kill you before you die"- J.M. White

MLK also said a riot is the language of the unheard. You cool with that too? Can't pick and choose.

Considering the time period of MLK the unheard would have a legitimate reason of rioting due to the variety of injustices they had to deal with. Also, how are you by the way?

[Republican Corentia]

Anyone can be ANTIFA. The FBI and Homeland Security are not warning against simply "ANTIFA" they're scared of all the people who are being radicalized by the conditions of the U.S. economy and the forthcoming, probably hellish, sort of times we're going to be finding ourselves in as working people. The anger, naturally, is directed to the institutions and groups that wish to do nothing about this. If anything, if you're left-wing, this is probably your time just to buy a gun for basic safety, keep yourself up to date on what sort of things are happening, and remember the old saying:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Republican Corentia]

Well, they sure did it with the Black Panther Party. Something threatening about having minorities stand up for themselves, I guess.

>implying the Black Panther Party wasn't violent
lel

Also, who is Antifa standing up for? Besides communists and anarchists, of course.

Anyone who is threatened by capitalist/white nationalist violence. These two groups, despite what white nationalists and assorted neo-nazis may say, have been the most disastrous to white worker than any other ideology despite their ironic "defense" of their "white race" as if they have the same material interest as them - which they obviously don't. The Nazis suppressed the workers. They did it in Spain. They did it in Italy. And they'll definitely do it in America, they're already trying.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

As the nazi symphatisers rose to power, the government started to issue warnings about people opposing nazis.

How utterly unexpected.

Trump? A Nazi?

A conservative, yes. A far-rightist, maybe. A Nazi? Sit down.

[Catochristoferson]

Antifa/Left Wing activists are only "dangerous" to the far right, liberal talking heads, and the government.

The average person should fear neonazis preaching hate and spreading violence more than masked teenagers tipping over trashcans.

[Republican Corentia]

As the nazi symphatisers rose to power, the government started to issue warnings about people opposing nazis.

How utterly unexpected.

Trump? A Nazi?

A conservative, yes. A far-rightist, maybe. A Nazi? Sit down.

Nazi-sympathizer, absolutely.

[Guelder]

Trump? A Nazi?

A conservative, yes. A far-rightist, maybe. A Nazi? Sit down.

Nazi-sympathizer, absolutely.

Not even true, he's a Conservative nothing more. He is against Nazism, and if he is a nazi and a white supremacist, why did he make selfies with black people in Houston? Because he hates them? No, if he did, he wouldn't do that. And he wouldn't shake hands with Obama at the inaugural (i did only watch a part because it was too long for me) and talk with him and Michelle

[Vassenor]

Nazi-sympathizer, absolutely.

Not even true, he's a Conservative nothing more. He is against Nazism, and if he is a nazi and a white supremacist, why did he make selfies with black people in Houston? Because he hates them? No, if he did, he wouldn't do that. And he wouldn't shake hands with Obama at the inaugural (i did only watch a part because it was too long for me) and talk with him and Michelle

You ever notice how he only condemns neo-Nazis when some person puts a metaphorical gun to his head

Also holding a pride flag didn't stop him fucking over the LGBT community, so I don't buy that logic.

[Guelder]

Not even true, he's a Conservative nothing more. He is against Nazism, and if he is a nazi and a white supremacist, why did he make selfies with black people in Houston? Because he hates them? No, if he did, he wouldn't do that. And he wouldn't shake hands with Obama at the inaugural (i did only watch a part because it was too long for me) and talk with him and Michelle

You ever notice how he only condemns neo-Nazis when some person puts a metaphorical gun to his head

Also holding a pride flag didn't stop him fucking over the LGBT community, so I don't buy that logic.

He supports the LGBT community, otherwise he wouldn't hold that flag, typical liberal logic

[Vassenor]

You ever notice how he only condemns neo-Nazis when some person puts a metaphorical gun to his head

Also holding a pride flag didn't stop him fucking over the LGBT community, so I don't buy that logic.

He supports the LGBT community, otherwise he wouldn't hold that flag, typical liberal logic

Right, because barring them from military service is support. Talking about overturning the nationwide legalisation of same-sex marriage is support. Talking about wanting to make the whole "dick police" thing national is support.

[Guelder]

He supports the LGBT community, otherwise he wouldn't hold that flag, typical liberal logic

Right, because barring them from military service is support. Talking about overturning the nationwide legalisation of same-sex marriage is support. Talking about wanting to make the whole "dick police" thing national is support.

He did bar them from military service because they need medicines to be a man or a woman, he did only bar transgenders, not gays and lesbians

[The Islands of Versilia]

The "right vs left" clash is a chaotic shithole. Both extremists are equally as bad.
Let's worry about all of them equally and try to find ways to encourage free debate and discussion, rather than focusing on one group?

[Vassenor]

Right, because barring them from military service is support. Talking about overturning the nationwide legalisation of same-sex marriage is support. Talking about wanting to make the whole "dick police" thing national is support.

He did bar them from military service because they need medicines to be a man or a woman, he did only bar transgenders, not gays and lesbians

What do you think the T in LGBT stands for? And I take it you have no response to the other things I cited?

[Guelder]

He did bar them from military service because they need medicines to be a man or a woman, he did only bar transgenders, not gays and lesbians

What do you think the T in LGBT stands for? And I take it you have no response to the other things I cited?

He don't overturn the same-sex marriage, he is for same-sex marriage

[Vassenor]

What do you think the T in LGBT stands for? And I take it you have no response to the other things I cited?

He don't overturn the same-sex marriage, he is for same-sex marriage

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-wants-undo-marri/

‘I am for traditional marriage’

The first indication of Trump’s feelings on same-sex marriage go back to an interview in The Advocate in 2000, when Trump was allegedly considering running for president.

"I think the institution of marriage should be between a man and a woman," Trump said. He added that he favored a domestic partnership law that would give same-sex couples the same legal benefits as married couples. (He voiced support for Elton John’s 2005 civil union with David Furnish in a post on his now-defunct Trump University blog, however.)

More than a decade later, in a March 2011 interview as he mulled a presidential run, Trump told Fox News host Bill O’Reilly that he was against marriage equality.

"I just don't feel good about it," Trump said. "I don't feel right about it. I'm against it, and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it's like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I'm opposed to gay marriage."

Two years later, Trump hedged a bit: "I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage. I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman," he told MSNBC in 2013.

Then Trump announced he really was running for president on June 16, 2015, and he quickly reiterated he didn’t support marriage equality.

After the U.S. Supreme Court ruling came out on June 26, Trump tweeted, "Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!"

Two days later, Trump told CNN’s Jake Tapper on CNN that he was "just for traditional marriage."

Trump said the next month that he thought pushing a constitutional amendment that banned same-sex marriage would not be a realistic approach.

But by October 2015, he began to indicate that he would seek to overturn the Obergefell vs. Hodges ruling that legalized same-sex marriage.

"We have some very terrible Supreme Court justices, and frankly, they should have at least had that as a state's right issue," he told CBN News. He also said he considered the ruling the law now.

He told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace on Jan. 31, 2016, that he disagreed with the court’s 5-4 decision.

"If I'm elected, I would be very strong on putting certain judges on the bench that I think maybe could change things," Trump said. "They have ruled on it. I wish that it was done by the state. I don't like the way they ruled. I disagree with the Supreme Court from the standpoint they should have given the state — it should be a states' rights issue. And that's the way it should have been ruled on, Chris, not the way they did it."

Looking for a concise answer, Wallace asked Trump if he would "try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage."

"I could strongly consider that, yes," Trump said.

His position didn’t change during the litany of GOP primary debates, although he hasn’t strongly reiterated how he wanted to appoint judges who would reverse the decision. In March 2016, he said at a Detroit debate that he agreed with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s opposition to the ruling.

"I would certainly have rather left it to the states," Trump said. "I was very surprised when they came up with that decision. I would preferred it had been left to the states, and I think most people would have preferred that."

Since then, Trump has said little about same-sex marriage. Trump's campaign didn't respond to our request for comment, and Clinton's spokesman didn't add any further comment. His stump speeches tend to avoid same-sex marriage, and we couldn’t find any instance of a traditional media outlet directly asking him about it since the debates.

When the GOP unveiled its party platform during this summer’s Republican National Convention, which urged the reversal of "the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage," Trump’s influence was downplayed.

Trump "has not really tried to weigh in on the platform," Wyoming Sen. John Barasso, the platform committee chairman, told NPR in July.

For someone who is pro-same sex marriage, he has a funny way of showing it.

[Guelder]

He don't overturn the same-sex marriage, he is for same-sex marriage

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-wants-undo-marri/

‘I am for traditional marriage’

The first indication of Trump’s feelings on same-sex marriage go back to an interview in The Advocate in 2000, when Trump was allegedly considering running for president.

"I think the institution of marriage should be between a man and a woman," Trump said. He added that he favored a domestic partnership law that would give same-sex couples the same legal benefits as married couples. (He voiced support for Elton John’s 2005 civil union with David Furnish in a post on his now-defunct Trump University blog, however.)

More than a decade later, in a March 2011 interview as he mulled a presidential run, Trump told Fox News host Bill O’Reilly that he was against marriage equality.

"I just don't feel good about it," Trump said. "I don't feel right about it. I'm against it, and I take a lot of heat because I come from New York. You know, for New York it's like, how can you be against gay marriage? But I'm opposed to gay marriage."

Two years later, Trump hedged a bit: "I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage. I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman," he told MSNBC in 2013.

Then Trump announced he really was running for president on June 16, 2015, and he quickly reiterated he didn’t support marriage equality.

After the U.S. Supreme Court ruling came out on June 26, Trump tweeted, "Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!"

Two days later, Trump told CNN’s Jake Tapper on CNN that he was "just for traditional marriage."

Trump said the next month that he thought pushing a constitutional amendment that banned same-sex marriage would not be a realistic approach.

But by October 2015, he began to indicate that he would seek to overturn the Obergefell vs. Hodges ruling that legalized same-sex marriage.

"We have some very terrible Supreme Court justices, and frankly, they should have at least had that as a state's right issue," he told CBN News. He also said he considered the ruling the law now.

He told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace on Jan. 31, 2016, that he disagreed with the court’s 5-4 decision.

"If I'm elected, I would be very strong on putting certain judges on the bench that I think maybe could change things," Trump said. "They have ruled on it. I wish that it was done by the state. I don't like the way they ruled. I disagree with the Supreme Court from the standpoint they should have given the state — it should be a states' rights issue. And that's the way it should have been ruled on, Chris, not the way they did it."

Looking for a concise answer, Wallace asked Trump if he would "try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage."

"I could strongly consider that, yes," Trump said.

His position didn’t change during the litany of GOP primary debates, although he hasn’t strongly reiterated how he wanted to appoint judges who would reverse the decision. In March 2016, he said at a Detroit debate that he agreed with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s opposition to the ruling.

"I would certainly have rather left it to the states," Trump said. "I was very surprised when they came up with that decision. I would preferred it had been left to the states, and I think most people would have preferred that."

Since then, Trump has said little about same-sex marriage. Trump's campaign didn't respond to our request for comment, and Clinton's spokesman didn't add any further comment. His stump speeches tend to avoid same-sex marriage, and we couldn’t find any instance of a traditional media outlet directly asking him about it since the debates.

When the GOP unveiled its party platform during this summer’s Republican National Convention, which urged the reversal of "the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage," Trump’s influence was downplayed.

Trump "has not really tried to weigh in on the platform," Wyoming Sen. John Barasso, the platform committee chairman, told NPR in July.

For someone who is pro-same sex marriage, he has a funny way of showing it.

That's fake news to make him look bad, a typical liberal

[Vassenor]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-wants-undo-marri/



For someone who is pro-same sex marriage, he has a funny way of showing it.

That's fake news to make him look bad, a typical liberal

Are we seriously going to do this? Or is the Reality Distortion Field on high today?

[Kramania]

As the nazi symphatisers rose to power, the government started to issue warnings about people opposing nazis.

How utterly unexpected.

They rose to power? Where are they?

[Kramania]

Aside from reading the article I provided, just Google Antifa violence.

You'll find they beat the shit out of all kinds of people.

68 people killed by WN/WS

0 killed by antifa

Sorry that they busted up some Starbucks window, pepper sprayed some nazis and beat the shit out of people calling for genocide. But these things happen.

So all of the people that they've beat up have been Nazis and people calling for genocide? Hmmm.

And I suppose we should wait for them to kill someone before taking action.

[Kramania]

>implying the Black Panther Party wasn't violent
lel

Also, who is Antifa standing up for? Besides communists and anarchists, of course.

Anyone who is threatened by capitalist/white nationalist violence. These two groups, despite what white nationalists and assorted neo-nazis may say, have been the most disastrous to white worker than any other ideology despite their ironic "defense" of their "white race" as if they have the same material interest as them - which they obviously don't. The Nazis suppressed the workers. They did it in Spain. They did it in Italy. And they'll definitely do it in America, they're already trying.

Antifa doesn't stand up for anyone. They're violent scum using Brownshirt tactics to advance their agenda.

[Kramania]

Aside from reading the article I provided, just Google Antifa violence.

You'll find they beat the shit out of all kinds of people.

Or you could provide the proof I asked for.

So let us assume nothing and live in a perpetual state of doubt. Very impractical and very French post-modernism. And you call yourself a socialist.

Nah. Assume the best, and at the same time assume the worst; try to guess the intentions of your friends and your foes on both ends, but don't act on either assumptions without appropriate reason. Otherwise that's how you end up stabbing your friend in the back and in turn getting your throat cut by your foe.

Also, I sure don't call myself a Socialist. I'm a full-blooded Communist.

Here they are beating up peaceful right wingers.

And if you want to see proof they oppose capitalism just read the article in my OP.