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1900 : Alternative Divergence [AH][REBOOT-OOC]

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1900 : Alternative Divergence

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“Men make History, but not at the time he wishes.”

– Karl Marx__________________________________


But for the sake of argument, what if we could?

Be it a point of divergence or a whole new nation, what if we could make history EXACTLY at the point that we wish?





Hello and welcome to Another Alternative Divergence, an AH/AW RP where the world is your oyster to do whatever you wish. For the sake of continuity, the time now is 1900C.E., and nations are teetering on the edge of a world war. What would be your vision of a world shaped by the nation that you call your own?





Again, for the sake of continuity, we should set a few ground rules.

  • All apps need a point of start and build-up – Whether you start from stone age and build it up to 1850 or simply change a few things here and there from 1800’s is up to you, but I would like for all nations to have an interesting history behind it… to prove you are capable AH/AW Rper.
  • All nations MUST be somewhat original – Let’s try to be a bit more creative than having Great Britain at all its glory. You can keep the name and title, but you MUST have some degree of DIFFERENCE between your nation and the IRL ones.
  • Everything can be excused with reason – I am willing to let anything be possible as long as it is stated clearly in the app with full explanation as to why it has come to be for your nation. … Similarly, I will accept NOTHING without a proper explanation.


Nation Application

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[b]Full Nation Name :[/b]
[b]Majority/Official Culture :[/b] [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]]
[b]Territorial Core :[/b] [[place where you have absolute control over]]
[b]Territorial Claim :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]]
[b]Capital City :[/b] [[Its IRL location and name]]
[b]Population :[/b]

[b]Government Type :[/b] [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]]
[b]Government Ideology/Policies :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]]
[b]Government Focus :[/b] [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]]
[b]Head of State :[/b] [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]]
[b]Head of Government :[/b] [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]
[b]Government Description :[/b]

[b]Majority/State Religion :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]]
[b]Religious Description :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]]

[b]Economic Ideologies :[/b] [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]]
[b]Major Production :[/b]
[b]Economic Description :[/b]


[b]Tech Group :[/b] [Read "Centers of Modernization," European, Oriental, Mesoamerican, N/A (default is N/A)]

[b]Army Description :[/b] [[Describe your nation's army in as much detail as you can]]
[b]Army Weakness :[/b]
[b]Naval Description :[/b] [[Describe your nation's navy in as much detail as you can]]
[b]Naval Weakness :[/b]
[b]Further Military Description :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]]

[b]National Goals :[/b]
[b]National Issues :[/b] [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]]
[b]National Figures of Interest :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]]
[b]National Ambition/Aspirations :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]]

[b]History :[/b] [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]
[b]RP Sample:[/b] [[Either a link to a past post, or an example written right here.]]

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Reservations

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[align=middle][size=140][u]Reservation[/u][/size][/align]
[b]Nation Name:[/b]
[b]Territory:[/b]
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*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.


Centers of Modernization

The following are rules concerning the level of technology for Alternative Divergence:
  • Every nation in the RP has a flat 5-year lag from the cannon year (ex. IC year 1900CE; max level of technology up to 1895CE)
    • A technology is available if there was a working prototype in the Western World by specified year.
    • If a critical flaw existed in the year of working prototype and this was fixed later, the technology will be carrying this flaw until the year it is fixed.
  • Every nation can nullify this lag by being a member of Centers of Modernization.
    • There are three Centers: European, Oriental, and Mesoamerican.
  • Any nation can be a member of any of these centers as long as they follow a very specific rules described below.
  • Any nation can either start off as a member if enough justification is given, or can work towards “westernizing” into being a member of these centers through IC posts.
    • TGing the OPs to get noticed on the "westernization" posts on IC threads is recommended.
  • Being a member means following the rules of these cultures in the IC as well as applications.
  • Failure to follow the rules of each Centers of Modernization will result in OP board warning you on first offense and dropping the nation's membership on second.
    • Dropped member will retain technologies invented specifically by the nation.
    • Dropped member will have the nation’s technological advances frozen until 5-year lag is met.
    • Dropped member will lose all privileges that being part of specific center gave.
    • Dropped member can reapply to be a member again or join a new center at any time through IC posts followed by TG to one of the OPs.

Europeans wrote:
European Centers of Modernization


In the Alternative Divergence, the Western Europe has been among the first regions in the world to go through systemized urbanization and centralization. As a result, many of their population are densely populated in major urban cities where factories and governing institutions exist. These cities are connected by some of the most intricate network of railways, which at the very least connect major cities to each other. Perhaps due to this connection between cities, most of the major cities in the European culture exist centralized within their mainland, with colonies only serving to provide raw materials and its natives only serving to further their markets.

Further elaborating on the nature of Renaissance, the human rights within Europeans are usually considered to be inalienable. This is contradictory to many of their policies towards colonies, but Europeans are progressive in the areas of universal suffrage and human rights. This certainly does not mean that Europeans only accept democratic states; Europeans will find it strange is a nation’s population does not protest to governments who are unwilling to improve social justice for their citizens.

On the topic of social justice, Europeans have long since accepted that their government is conservative and reactionary in nature. As a result, even if their government has since reformed to be progressive Europeans always have minority political voice speaking vocally against the government. While how each European government deals with the vocal minority varies from acceptable to oppression, Europeans consider these minorities too vocal and too active to simply ignore.

Aside from nullifying 5-year lag in technology, Europeans also enjoy several other advantages:
  • Ownership of Non-Eastern, Sub-Saharan Africa: European nation can take lands from non-Europeans in non-Eastern, Sub-Saharan Africa during a war without treaties solidifying this land-grab.
  • European’s Burden: Europeans as a norm cannot have open revolts in overseas colonies due to strict military and cultural control.


Orientals wrote:
Oriental Centers of Modernization


The nations in the Oriental culture contribute their industrial revolution to continuation of Song Dynasty’s inquisitive nature. Perhaps as a direct result of being inspired by a Chinese Empire with proud Treasure Fleets, the Orientals are focused more on ports. While railways and other inland transits do exists, Orientals pride themselves of their maritime culture and cannot imagine their culture being without any major trade ports. Furthermore Orientals are extremely proud of their Asian heritage and will not accept anyone that is not part of Asian continent. While Oceania and Siberia is normally treated as being an acceptable distance to be part of “pan-Asia,” Orientals find nations within Middle East and beyond to be too strange to be part of their culture.

While Orientals wholly accept that there can be people above another group of people and that some are more privileged than others, a nation without uncrossable dogma is unacceptable. Every nation must have a core tenants, be it religious or philosophical, that the nation will not violate, and if violated the nation’s leader must be challenged. The only way that the Orientals would accept new dogma would be to prove them with blood and iron: Orientals will never accept another philosophy into their nation unless it has been challenged and came out victorious.

Perhaps due to their resulting “Asian pride” and acceptance of classes, Orientals find comfort in bloodlines. Orientals believe that these bloodlines spiritually define their culture as superior to others and are willing to commit genocide in order to preserve them. Although Orientals see European and Mesoamericans as worthy potential for furthering their bloodline, interracial mix of blood is generally frowned upon. As a result, Orientals are wary of anyone who does not actively counter this mix of inferior bloodline as unworthy of respect.

Aside from nullifying 5-year lag in technology, Orientals also enjoy several other advantages:
  • Secrets of Our Ancestors: There were many overtechnologies in Far East and other parts of Asia. Orientals long since had access to these technologies and can use this secret knowledge alongside more common technologies to augment their list of possible technologies.


Mesoamericans wrote:
Mesoamerican Centers of Modernization


Mesoamericans in Alternative Divergence timeline has been hardy individuals who were dedicated to distinguish themselves from Europeans and Orientals despite the overwhelming disadvantage and have managed to achieve such ideals. Such a goal would not have been possible without often times wildly radical decisions that could only come from those learned individuals who have not only the wisdom to know the steps to tread, but actually walk through the path. For Mesoamericans, this came not from some bloodline or miracles, but from people whose literacy was guaranteed and government who selected those based solely on their ability to achieve success. Therefore, Mesoamericans find other cultures that follow rigid, unmovable social structures to be strangers, and they frown upon those who discriminate against another based on superficial traits.

When the Old World came to exploit their father’s lands, Mesoamericans formed a united front against the Old World at any costs. Some outsides will see this as brilliant act of self-preservation by the Mesoamerican governments, but to Mesoamericans this was selfless act of the many to preserve not their own self, but the community that they belonged. Mesoamericans therefore can openly believe in their governments to act in accordance to this ideal: to enact policies that will always put the community and society first. To outsiders, these policies may be branded as Socialism. But to Mesoamericans, it is their people’s wisdom to stand together against all enemies.

When the first explorers from the Old World came at Mesoamericans’ door, it was the swift actions by the government that prevented the spread of the curse of the Old World. While the plague brought by explorers and colonists fell many nations, Mesoamericans were saved by their hygiene and healthcare policies. Mesoamerican cities were long since known for their hygienic systems in place such as sewers and baths long before the coming of Europeans and Orientals. Furthermore healthcare of citizens were long considered a social good that equaled in importance as defense, for a healthy people meant healthy soldiers in both mind and body. Still, no amount of preparation would stop the deadly disease completely and plague left its mark on the Mesoamerican society: no Mesoamerican government would neglect on hygiene and healthcare policies for any reason. Even if navy is left wanting and other political options are more advantageous, nothing has higher priority than these two sectors of government at any times.

Aside from nullifying 5-year lag in technology, Mesoamericans also enjoy several other advantages:
  • Solution Makers: Mesoamericans were faced such a drastically treacherous odds early in their interactions with the Old World that they have learned to better adapt into new technologies. Even whilst they are now one of the leading members of international community, their ability to quickly adapt to new technologies have not diminished, allowing them to resolve critical flaws that any technology may have 5 years quicker than canonical date.


Guidance System
[[OPTIONAL]]


The guidance system is one opportunity that every nation has to completely affect the canonical history of Alternative Divergence IC. Consider it as making a new rule in the RP. As this RP follows the classic “IRL unless said otherwise” rule for canonical history, this application allows everyone a chance to affect what is accepted as IRL history in this RP!

As you can probably expect, the process of doing guidance will be very difficult. Please understand that Guidance system is OPTIONAL and not meant to be treated as power-boost for your nation.. The rules for Guidance is as follows.

  • Guidance application can only be submitted by nations that have already been accepted.
  • Guidance application can only be submitted by nation who has one or more coauthor who will work with the applicant through this process.
    • In other words, more than two nations must work on a single guidance with one nation acting as the main author.
    • Participating nations MUST be directly affected by the guidance’s immediate effects.
  • Submit the guidance application using the code provided below.
    • Guidance cannot be used to provide superlative (i.e. “strongest,” “most technologically advanced,” “greatest”) adjectives to nation or nations.
    • Guidance application must involve all the nations involved in the creation process in the description of the application.
    • Guidance CANNOT be used to replace or nullify rules made by the main OP
    • Guidance CAN be used to nullify or edit other existing guidances.
  • Once accepted by OP board, all involved nation MUST EDIT their nation’s app to match the canonical history that will be created by the Guidance. TG the OP board once finished.
  • Once the Guidance application is accepted and OP board has approved of the edits made to every participant of this Guidance. It will be posted on the main OP as cannon history that must be respected by everyone.
    • Non-applicant nation does not need to make changes to their app when new Guidance is made.

Guidance Application

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[b]Guidance Name :[/b] [[Every great event has a title. Doesn’t need to be fancy, like “Nanauatl hears our woes!” for curing the Smallpox by Spanish, and so on.]]
[b]Guidance Description :[/b] [[What happened?]]
[b]Affected Area :[/b] [[Just Europe? Just Middle East? Global?]]
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Announcements

Date : 2017.09.01
Original Link : Link
Announcement from AltDiv Development


Applications
  • United Emirates of Arabia has been added to the "Accepted" list
  • Reservation has been shortlisted, and all previous reserves has been wiped.
  • Will be officially accepted reserves from this point on. ALL RESERVES IN THE CURRENT LIST WILL BE MAINTAINED

Main OP
  • "Accepted Centers of Modernization" section has been added
  • "Accepted Centers of Modernization" is used to keep the master list of all nations that has been accepted into specific centers by the OP board
  • List will be updated ONLY AFTER APPLICATIONS HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. Do not bother OPs over this until your app is either on the verge of being finished or is already completed.
  • CURRENT LIST IS NOT YET UPDATED FOR EUROPEAN NATIONS. OP board is currently working on the list of nations that will fit European Centers of Modernization from the application-only. All European nations, please stand-by.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:07 am

Tag!
Rest in peace, King Michael I of Romania.
Trăiască Regele!

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Postby Oscalantine » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:08 am

I will provide SOME flexibility, but seriously.... reserves needs to be wiped if we are to move forward. Please let me know if you are still willing to RP with us ^^

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Postby Oscalantine » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:08 am

Tracian Empire wrote:Tag!


Dammit, I was planning on making first post T~T

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mememememe

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Western Pacific Territories wrote:mememememe


Still Libya, right?

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:14 am

Oscalantine wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:mememememe


Still Libya, right?

Yep.

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Guess I'll have to settle with the telltale number seven.

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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:54 am

So, I maybe a new app and so on and here it is: viewtopic.php?p=32416752#p32416752
I have been informed that the Hansa Germany doesn't exist anymore but due to my heavy historical reliance on Germany, regardless what state will appear there, I will not make edits to the history untill I am either asked by the OPs to do so or got someone else where Germany existed before as well as a look at his history.

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Remnants of Exilvania wrote:So, I maybe a new app and so on and here it is: viewtopic.php?p=32416752#p32416752
I have been informed that the Hansa Germany doesn't exist anymore but due to my heavy historical reliance on Germany, regardless what state will appear there, I will not make edits to the history untill I am either asked by the OPs to do so or got someone else where Germany existed before as well as a look at his history.


Nor should you. Your application should not be penalized by another dropping out. I will keep in mind that your app includes hansa.

That said, I would expect that you will nevertheless strategize about how new Germany's relation will be to your nation. As you said, your app is based heavily on Germany XDDD

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Oscalantine wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:So, I maybe a new app and so on and here it is: viewtopic.php?p=32416752#p32416752
I have been informed that the Hansa Germany doesn't exist anymore but due to my heavy historical reliance on Germany, regardless what state will appear there, I will not make edits to the history untill I am either asked by the OPs to do so or got someone else where Germany existed before as well as a look at his history.


Nor should you. Your application should not be penalized by another dropping out. I will keep in mind that your app includes hansa.

That said, I would expect that you will nevertheless strategize about how new Germany's relation will be to your nation. As you said, your app is based heavily on Germany XDDD

Yes, I will. Though it really depends on what is going to appear there.
If we suddenly got three german statesthere, then I sort of have to explain my military differently as the main reason for it being relatively up to par is the existence of a strong Germany next to me.
In pretty much all cases though, relations will probably be strained as I claim to be their emperor.

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tag

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Reservation

Nation Name: Mauretania - Tamazgha
Territory: Comprising most Berber homelands minus Taureg Sahara + Libya
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Full Nation Name : Kingdom/Empire of Mauretania | Numidia | Mazica
Native Nation Name : Tamazgha ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵗⴰ
Majority/Official Culture : Berber (Imazighen)
Territorial Core : Comprising most Berber homelands minus Taureg Sahara + Libya
Territorial Claim : In Light Blue
Capital City : Qacentina
Population : 15,375,000

Government Type : Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, expansionist, anti-colonialist (i.e. Europeans thinking about colonising it)
Government Focus : Military, in terms of consolidating control over the region and expanding control, and legitimacy, in establishing the Bagayids to European powers as good Christian monarchs worthy of recognition.
Head of State : Empress Thiyya Urtien (Tamazight: Tagellidt Tigellidin Thiyya Ult Urtiyen Tajrawt
Head of Government : Amalway Aktula Afellah
Government Description : Theoretically all power rests in the monarch, with much of this power granted to the Parliament, and by extension the Amalway. Modelled on European systems, the leader of the largest party is appointed the Amalway, who then appoints a cabinet to run the executive on behalf of the empress. The Parliament is 400 strong, with 2/3rds elected by a small franchise of 11% of the population, while the rest is selected by the empress, though certain seats are reserved for nobles and religious leaders.

Majority/State Religion : Church of Africa
Religious Description : The Carthaginian Church (officially the Church of Africa) is the largest religious body in Mauretania. Its is often considered a Protestant church, as during the Reformation many of the ideas spread took a hold in the already puritanical and schismatic Donatist sect, though some argue that these Protestant ideals (based upon early church structure and traditions, like the Church of Africa) always existed and were merely brought to European attention after the Reformation. There is also a minority of Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims, Pagans, and Jews, the latter of whom currently hold a protected status under the church (though this has not always been the case)

Economic Ideologies : State Capitalism
Major Production : Grain, minerals, fish
Economic Description : Mauretania is primarily agricultural, with large parts of the population employed in this industry. Mauretania is rich in minerals and the country has many iron, lead, zinc, copper, calamine, antimony and mercury mines. The most productive are those of iron and zinc. Lignite is found in Algiers; immense phosphate beds were discovered near Tébessa in 1891. Phosphate beds are also worked near Sétif, Guelma and Aïn Beïda. There are more than 300 quarries which produce, amongst other stones, onyx and white and red marbles. The country has also industrialised akin to its European neighbours, though lagging behind some in terms of technological innovation and scale of industrialisation.


Tech Group : Without the Islamic conquests, it would have never left the European/Mediterranean sphere, so European? If not N/A will be fine.

Army Description : The standing army is around 150,000, divided into a variety of regiments, and modelled significantly on the French/European model. During the 19th century the Bagayids hired European veterans to change their primarily tribal force into a proper institution capable of waging war. The only remnant of the tribal army are the Blue Turbans, officially the Imperial Guard, who number around 10,000 and are generally the most well-trained, have their officer corps filled with members of the Bagayid, and related, tribes, and are the only force allowed to enter the capital in peacetime.
Army Weakness : The officer corp is not very meritocratic, especially with the Blue Turbans, and therefore sometimes suffers from a lack of experienced leadership, though efforts to counteract this through extensive training for officers has helped a bit.
Naval Description : Around 5 battleships, and 32 other kinds of warships.
Naval Weakness : A lack of experienced sailors, shipyards, and funding hinders the navy at the moment.
Further Military Description : I may expand on this later, though it depends, I'm not really a milsperger.

National Goals : Establish control over the tribes of the interior, protect against outsiders, convert Libya
National Issues : Removing the last vestiges of the Bagayid tribal past, and ensuring that revolutionaries, liberals, and Arab agitators do not cause conflict amongst the majority of the population
National Figures of Interest : King Kusail - Queen Dihya - Bagay - Musa Ibn Nasr
National Ambition/Aspirations : Unite all Tamazight speaking lands, ensure the empire's stability, colonise parts of Africa and generally act European.

History :
-690 - North African history proceeds normally until 690, upon the death of King Kusail by encroaching Arab armies.
690-703 - Dihya, one of the more powerful Berber monarchs, defeats another Muslim army and captures one of the officers, Musa ibn Nasr, who she later adopts as her son. Her defeat of Hasan allows the Eastern Romans to quickly reclaim Carthage. In 703 she defeats Hasan once again, with Roman help, and he returns permanently to Libya, while she consolidates her realm.
706 - Dihya is assassinated by Musa, and her realm invaded by a small Arab force joined by Muslim Berbers. Her biological sons, Bagay and Khanchla, divide her realm in two and successfully defeat the invaders. Musa leads his forces west, conquering Constantine from the small Romano-Berber militia and establishing the Nasrid dynasty.. Bagay, in the Aures Mountains, becomes a Donatist, and establishes it as the dominant faith there, while Khanchla continues his mothers Judeo-Christian syncretism.
706-752 - The Nasrids push into Tunisia, finding little resistance as the Romans retreat back to Carthage, while the Tahirids, a Muslim Arabo-Libyan dynasty, conquer the south. They are defeated decisively in an attempt to conquer the Aures region.
752-781 - The Nasrids are slowly pushed out of Tunisia, and the Tahirids attempt to take Carthage twice but fail. The Nasrids focus their efforts west, conquering the divided Christian and pagan Berber realms. The Berber realm created by Khanchla collapses due to internal strife, and raids from neighbouring Berber tribes. -Map-
781-841 - Sultan Salih expands the Nasrid realm into Morocco over six years, conquering most of the north. His successor Umar is able to bring the southern areas under his control. After his death the Nasrid realm fractures into three parts, and the most eastern part is swiftly conquered by the Bagayids, who quickly establish Constantine as their capital. -Map-
841-905 - In 862 a joint Byzantine-Mauretanian force defeats the Tahirids, and Rome regains more of the coastline. By 885 the Moroccan Nasrids have finished reconquering their Algerian kin, and push southwards into the Sahel. By 905 under Sultan Yahya they are at their greatest extent. -Map-
905-967 - In 913 a large Mauretanian force is decisively defeated by the Nasrids, who promptly invade their lands, but are unsuccessful and withdraw in 914. The Romans occupy the abandoned Tunisian lands, and after a few skirmishes with the Mauretanians a treaty is made recognising the annexation for a sum of gold. In 919 the Mauretanians attack the Nasrids, and are able to gain a few victories, largely thanks to Roman mercenaries. They are defeated in 924 in a close defeat, and withdraw. The invasion causes the Nasrids to quickly decline, and the governors of their eastern territories revolt, creating the coastal Harbids, and the Farisids based in Algiers. In 956 the Nasrids face revolts in the north, from the Christian Jilassids,and from the south from the Muslim Dustids, and by 967 are reduced to a small rump in Morocco. -Map-
967-1015 - In 967 the Jilassids conquer Fes, and force the Nasrids south, and by 975 all Nasrids territories are conquered, and the Sultan executed, and his children converted and kept as captives. Ibrahim Banu Nasr, the son of the sultan, becomes a general under the Jilassids and in the 980s conquers the Dustids, and becomes the governor of that region. He is assassinated in 992 after rumours reach the Jilassid king of a potential rebellion, though the now Christian Nasrids remain prominent in Morocco. After a crushing defeat by the Farisids, the Bagayids are driven from Constantine to the Aures mountains, and the Izemids take charge. -Map-
1015-1126 - In 1044 the Izemids conquer the Harbids, and attempt an invasion of the Farisids in 1046 but this is repelled. In 1120 a small Muslim Berber tribe, the Banu Aitbrahim, rise up in Tunisia and take advantage of a lack of Roman development there to conquer most of it except Carthage, the Izemids also conquer some northern coastal territory, ostensibly in the name of the Roman emperor. -Map-
1126-1285 - In 1135 Algiers is conquered by a foreign power, and the Farisids collapse. The Izemids conquer their former territories between 1138 to 1165. They begin a military campaign to conquer the Aures Mountains in 1174, and after three campaigns take it in 1177. The Bagayids flee south, and establish a new realm, though it is much depleted in power. In 1233 the Izemids defeat the Banu Aitbrahim, and conquer Tunisia by 1240. Their incursions into Libya and Morocco are unsuccessful, and they siege Carthage three times. They unsuccessfully siege Carthage for a year in 1284, before purchasing the costly and declining colony from the Romans. -Map-
1285-1360 - In 1312 the Jilassids face severe internal strife as several governors rebel, and two Jilassid kings are killed in quick succession, one assassinated and another killed in battle. The Catholic Dahmanids in Casablanca achieve independence in 1315, and the Donatist Mokranids in 1318. The Jilassids stabilise, and defeat rebel governors in the north, but are devastated by an Izemid invasion in 1326. They lose what they regained in the north, but manage to inflict a severe defeat on the Izemids as they besiege Fes in 1331. The Izemids are unable to take Fes, and eventually make peace with the rump Jilassid state, in return for tribute. They expand eastwards slightly, as the Bagayids dominate and convert some of the tribes of the interior. -Map-
1360-1455 - In 1392 the Izemid king is assassinated, and the realm splits in two as his brother claims the throne now held by a minor. In 1395 the Western Izemids are decisively defeated in battle by a joint rebel-Eastern Izemid force. The Eastern Izemids are unable to take advantage of the chaos, due to wars in the east, and the Muslim Alimids are able to exert control over most of Algeria, though they are unable to hold the interior due to rebellious Berber tribes. In 1410 the Dahmanids defeat the Mokranids, and go on to conquer southern Morocco. They attempt an invasion of Fes in 1432, but are rebuffed by a joint Jilassid-Western Izemid force. -Map-
1455-1533 - In 1452 the Eastern Izemid line dies out, and the throne falls to the Catholic Italian de Lisoni (n Lešen) dynasty, with the Western Izemids unable to contest. The Catholic Dahmanids find themselves continually opposed by the zealous Donatist tribes of the south, and by 1474 are reduced to their holdings in Casablanca. The Donatist Jilassids are able to capitalise on the zeal of these tribes, and successfully depose the Mokranids, founding what is later called the Southern Jilassids, who later send an expedition which cements their control over the Canary Islands. By 1490 the Alimids collapse under pressure from the interior tribes, the de Lisoni, and the Western Izemids. The Western Izemids are able to take the majority of their land, though it soon becomes autonomous under the Mezianid branch of the family. -Map-
1533-1650 - Over this period the de Lisoni expand, conquering the Mezianids in 1566, and then the Western Izemids in 1572. In the 1580s they push eastwards, forcing the Bagayids further south, and establishing control over the rest of Tunisia. Their strict Catholicism, and desire to convert all their provinces, proves unpopular and they spend a great deal of time putting down revolts. After two failed invasions, in 1632 they manage to get the Southern Jilassids to accept them as their overlords, and convert to Catholicism. -Map-
1650-1750 - The Bagayids spend much on the late 17th century establishing control over the tribes of the interior, who share a common Donatist faith. In the early 18th century the Jilassids face a series of revolts in the south after being forced by their overlords to attempt to convert the populace, and soon their power extends no further than the Fes province. The Lisonid armies sent to restore order are routed, prompting a series of rebellion over their provinces. In 1721 the Bagayids launch their invasion of the crumbling Lisoni realm, and by the 1730s have forced them back to the coasts. King Izemrasen campaigns in the west, bringing the various Donatist kingdoms in southern Morocco to heel, though he is unable to take the northern coast, and dies in 1737 besieging Fes. His successor, Warmaksan, campaigns extensively in Algeria and Tunisia, and by 1750 the Lisoni have been reduced to the coast of Morocco, Tunisia, and the city of Algiers. -Map-
1750-1850 - In 1762 King Wararni embarks upon the ambitious undertaking to remove the remaining resistance to his rule. He retakes Algeria in that year, and sweeps through northern Morocco, consolidating it by 1765. He besieges Fes but is unable to to take it for a year, and considers abandoning the siege to defend against Lisonid attacks in the east, until the commander of the garrison of Fes, a Nasrid, offers his service in opening the gates in return for governorship of the city and surrounding region, which is accepted. The city falls, and the Jilassid king is taken as captive, and his family converted. Wararni defeats the Lisonid incursions, and reduces the Lisoni to the city of Carthage. He dies of illness besieging them in 1771, and his successor Yimlul completes the siege in 1772, capturing most of the Lisoni family, bar the crown prince who fled back to the Italian peninsula. The king is executed, while the family is converted, while the Jilassid king converts and renounces any titles, but is confined to an estate in Algiers, where he dies six years later, possibly assassinated. Both families are confined to Constantine, where they build up their power and influence and become influential, with the restrictions being lifted from them in 1810. The Bagayids lose control over the interior tribes as they consolidate their rule over their new, civilised territories. Though they are Donatist, and the Church of Africa is the official state religion, they tolerate various religions and sects, including Orthodox, Jews, Catholics and Muslims, though the latter three are occasionally repressed, and face a stigma from the population at large. -Map-
1850 - present - The Bagayids reform their administration several times, attempting to reduce the power of the large feudal families that had made their positions essentially hereditary, and are successful in this regard in most places, though in Morocco they are forced to rely upon the family Nasrid family to make the changes for them, and the Nasrids comply, though the Bagayid reliance on them ensures that their position is essentially hereditary. The Nasrids send expeditions south, with Bagayid approval, and establish control over what we know as the Western Sahara region and coastal Mauritania. In 1875 King Amastan is severely reduced in power, as the powers delegated to the position similar to what Europeans would call a Prime Minister, or just Minister, (Tazmarten in Tamazight, meaning 'One with power'). In 1891 Thiyya becomes the monarch, and is able to wrest a few powers from the Tazmarten, as well as cripple the Lisoni stranglehold over the position. Though it weakens her own power, she establishes a unicameral parliament, of which two thirds is elected by a small franchise, and the last third selected by queen-in-counsel, and establishes her right to select the Tazmarten, no matter which party wins the election. -Map-

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Obligatory tag.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:57 am

Krugmar wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Mauretania - Tamazgha
Territory: Comprising most Berber homelands minus Taureg Sahara + Libya
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Full Nation Name : Kingdom/Empire of Mauretania | Numidia | Mazica
Native Nation Name : Tamazgha ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵗⴰ
Majority/Official Culture : Berber (Imazighen)
Territorial Core : Comprising most Berber homelands minus Taureg Sahara + Libya
Territorial Claim : [[OPTIONAL]] In Light Blue
Capital City : Qacentina
Population : 15,375,000

Government Type : Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]]
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Head of Government : [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]]
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Majority/State Religion : Christianity
Religious Description : It may be standard Catholicism, Arianism, or perhaps some kind of Donatist or Circumcellion church.

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I really like the idea of a Berber state, but like the announcement says, we will only be able to accept reservations tomorrow. I can't guarantee you that your nation will be accepted, considering that it might conflict with older reservations (that might be retconned tomorrow).

So, I think that you should wait until tomorrow before starting to work on an app
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Postby Krugmar » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:37 am

Tracian Empire wrote:I really like the idea of a Berber state, but like the announcement says, we will only be able to accept reservations tomorrow. I can't guarantee you that your nation will be accepted, considering that it might conflict with older reservations (that might be retconned tomorrow).

So, I think that you should wait until tomorrow before starting to work on an app


Ah, I assumed it would be fine since the last nation to reserve the area was Elerian's France, and I noticed he is now reserving China, and therefore presumably* unlikely to resume his previous reservation of France.
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Postby Elerian » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:41 am

Krugmar wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:I really like the idea of a Berber state, but like the announcement says, we will only be able to accept reservations tomorrow. I can't guarantee you that your nation will be accepted, considering that it might conflict with older reservations (that might be retconned tomorrow).

So, I think that you should wait until tomorrow before starting to work on an app


Ah, I assumed it would be fine since the last nation to reserve the area was Elerian's France, and I noticed he is now reserving China, and therefore unlikely to resume his previous reservation of France.


Hey Krug. Somebody wanted Spain and I believe they wanted Mauritania as well, so that's where the conflict lies.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:41 am

Elerian wrote:
Krugmar wrote:
Ah, I assumed it would be fine since the last nation to reserve the area was Elerian's France, and I noticed he is now reserving China, and therefore unlikely to resume his previous reservation of France.


Hey Krug. Somebody wanted Spain and I believe they wanted Mauritania as well, so that's where the conflict lies.

Yeah, unfortunately Oscal missed Zelent's reservation when updating the list, and Zelent's Iberia is claiming that area.
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Postby Krugmar » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:48 am

Elerian wrote:Hey Krug. Somebody wanted Spain and I believe they wanted Mauritania as well, so that's where the conflict lies.

Tracian Empire wrote:Yeah, unfortunately Oscal missed Zelent's reservation when updating the list, and Zelent's Iberia is claiming that area.


Ah, I forgot about that reservation. No matter, my app is barebones anyway, the stuff I need to put down lest I forget it. Should it be claimed by Zelent I can easily change.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:49 am

Krugmar wrote:
Elerian wrote:Hey Krug. Somebody wanted Spain and I believe they wanted Mauritania as well, so that's where the conflict lies.

Tracian Empire wrote:Yeah, unfortunately Oscal missed Zelent's reservation when updating the list, and Zelent's Iberia is claiming that area.


Ah, I forgot about that reservation. No matter, my app is barebones anyway, the stuff I need to put down lest I forget it. Should it be claimed by Zelent I can easily change.

I'm sorry for the confusion. If you want to, you can reserve something else in the meantime, and if Zelent does not continue his claim, you can easily switch back to a Berber state.
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Postby The V O I D » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:00 am

I completely forgot about this, and I apologize for suddenly disappearing in the other thread.

I'll still be reserving Scandinavia, but I need to rework the app a bit.

mini-edit: Can I include Denmark in my new Scandinavia reservation pls? and maybe finland, too, if it wasn't already. Thank you!
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