Migrant Crisis Crime in Europe: Is It Real?

[The Opossum]

In the American political debate about whether to allow refugees to enter the country, those opposed will often refer to the European migrant crisis to demonstrate the consequences of opening the country to migrants. Claims will be made that some areas of Europe are governed by sharia law, that police won't enforce law in areas with large Muslim populations, that European governments ignore these problems, etc.

To any Europeans: are these claims made by American news outlets true? To what extent are they true? Few people will deny that European countries are having a difficult time handling these migrants, but are the claims that Europe is falling apart because of this actually true?

I don't have one; I don't live in Europe so I don't know what's actually going on there. I'm an American and I have no idea which news outlets to trust. In comment sections of videos and articles about this, I've seen some Europeans claim that their lives are being ruined by migrants and others say that the foreign media is exaggerating the problems. So that's why I'm asking directly through this thread: what's the truth?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I'm British and, despite what one American "terrorism expert" claims, none of the UK is under sharia law. True, we have had multiple terror attacks recently, but I'm sure the UK government would treat a sharia-controlled area as an insurgency

[Malaguenia]

Yes, and it is a very big problem, but the sell-out governments won't do anything about.

I'm British and, despite what one American "terrorism expert" claims, none of the UK is under sharia law. True, we have had multiple terror attacks recently, but I'm sure the UK government would treat a sharia-controlled area as an insurgency

Pfft you wish, the government has already imposed sharia law by making it illegal to criticise Islam online because you might offend someone.

Also people like you, ones that trust European governments too much are the reason we are in this bloody mess.

[Aeringard]

In all honesty, a lot of the claims that the OP posted, such as how a UK city is under sharia law, were claims made by fox news. Aka, the news group with rocks for brains. However at the same time we can see negative effects of the migrants in Europe, as terrorist actions, crime, and sexual crinimal acts agains females has risen. There is that, as well as the plain arguement of there is no room for them. So yes, there really is a crisis.

[Vassenor]

Pfft you wish, the government has already imposed sharia law by making it illegal to criticise Islam online because you might offend someone.

First I've heard of that one.

[Aeringard]

Yes, and it is a very big problem, but the sell-out governments won't do anything about.

I'm British and, despite what one American "terrorism expert" claims, none of the UK is under sharia law. True, we have had multiple terror attacks recently, but I'm sure the UK government would treat a sharia-controlled area as an insurgency

Pfft you wish, the government has already imposed sharia law by making it illegal to criticise Islam online because you might offend someone.

Also people like you, ones that trust European governments too much are the reason we are in this bloody mess.

Lets not start arguements or accusations on page one please. Try to keep it civil, so the mods dont circle this thread like sharks baying for blood.
As for the post, not being able to criticise is entirely wrong yes, but no that is not Sharia law.

[Risottia]

Living in Italy, no, it doesn't have a major impact. Bit of a mess, some clashes here and there, some extra expenses for the government's coffers, aye. Major crisis omg teh ebul m00zlems are gonna invade us, burn our wimminz loot our villages and rape our crops, naaah.

As for the "sharia law areas where police don't dare to tread", that's just American bullshit of the "you know what happened in Sweden last night covfefe" kind.

[Vassenor]

Living in Italy, no, it doesn't have a major impact. Bit of a mess, some clashes here and there, some extra expenses for the government's coffers, aye. Major crisis omg teh ebul m00zlems are gonna invade us, burn our wimminz loot our villages and rape our crops, naaah.

As for the "sharia law areas where police don't dare to tread", that's just American bullshit of the "you know what happened in Sweden last night covfefe" kind.

I mean I pretty much live in one of those places that are supposed to be "sharia law areas where police don't dare to tread", so...

[The Huskar Social Union]

Living in Italy, no, it doesn't have a major impact. Bit of a mess, some clashes here and there, some extra expenses for the government's coffers, aye. Major crisis omg teh ebul m00zlems are gonna invade us, burn our wimminz loot our villages and rape our crops, naaah.

As for the "sharia law areas where police don't dare to tread", that's just American bullshit of the "you know what happened in Sweden last night covfefe" kind.

Agree with this.

Living in NI i have a greater chance of being attacked for being Irish by Self identifying British Christians than i do a chance of being attacked by Muslims for being an atheist or because of radical islam. Now i dont doubt there is crime committed by migrants and some refugees, there are videos and evidence of it (things like rape gangs etc) and the ones responsible should be punished like anyone else, but this whole "muslim invasion and destruction of europe" shite nah

[The Grene Knyght]

In the American political debate about whether to allow refugees to enter the country, those opposed will often refer to the European migrant crisis to demonstrate the consequences of opening the country to migrants. Claims will be made that some areas of Europe are governed by sharia law, that police won't enforce law in areas with large Muslim populations, that European governments ignore these problems, etc.

To any Europeans: are these claims made by American news outlets true? To what extent are they true? Few people will deny that European countries are having a difficult time handling these migrants, but are the claims that Europe is falling apart because of this actually true?

I don't have one; I don't live in Europe so I don't know what's actually going on there. I'm an American and I have no idea which news outlets to trust. In comment sections of videos and articles about this, I've seen some Europeans claim that their lives are being ruined by migrants and others say that the foreign media is exaggerating the problems. So that's why I'm asking directly through this thread: what's the truth?

I don't think I've ever heard anyone even suggest that crime has risen due to refugees entering my country. And there's never been a terrorist attack committed by a refugee here.
The main issue here is how migrants are treated by us, not the other way around.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

As far as I'm concerned, this illegal migration is in itself a crime, organized and sustained by criminal enterprises at that. So as far as I'm concerned, every single one of those migrants is a criminal by virtue of having entered the EU illegally and guilty of sponsoring human traffickers - which means that a one-way trip to one's country of origin with a stern warning not to return is the best any of them deserves.

[Aellex]

Living in Italy, no, it doesn't have a major impact. Bit of a mess, some clashes here and there, some extra expenses for the government's coffers, aye. Major crisis omg teh ebul m00zlems are gonna invade us, burn our wimminz loot our villages and rape our crops, naaah.

Do you live in the North of Italy or the South? I'm asking because friends of mine living in the Pouilles and in Calabre told me a quite different story about the impact migrants had locally and while I don't necessarily agree with them that the reason of this dismissal of there being any problem that seems to be the get-go response of people living in Roma and above is just northerners despising them for being "terrone", I do think that they do have a point nonetheless.
I'm sure the impact hasn't been major on the national level, as you said, nor at your local level if you live far away from where migrants actually come and stay but there is no denying that, where they do, the impact is anything but minor.

The same is true here, in France. Shit is rather calm in Lyon but Calais? Fuck mate, people have been forced to create neighbourhood watch to stop migrants from coming in their gardens and truck drivers are constantly afraid of them sneaking into their vehicles to smuggle themselves into Britain.

[Vassenor]

As far as I'm concerned, this illegal migration is in itself a crime, organized and sustained by criminal enterprises at that. So as far as I'm concerned, every single one of those migrants is a criminal by virtue of having entered the EU illegally and guilty of sponsoring human traffickers - which means that a one-way trip to one's country of origin with a stern warning not to return is the best any of them deserves.

Right, because seeking asylum within the bounds of documents such as Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and other such treaties is illegal somehow.

[Aellex]

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Right, because seeking asylum within the bounds of documents such as Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and other such treaties is illegal somehow.

TIL that economics migrants coming to get some of that sweet, sweet welfare are """refugees""""

[Imperium Sidhicum]

As far as I'm concerned, this illegal migration is in itself a crime, organized and sustained by criminal enterprises at that. So as far as I'm concerned, every single one of those migrants is a criminal by virtue of having entered the EU illegally and guilty of sponsoring human traffickers - which means that a one-way trip to one's country of origin with a stern warning not to return is the best any of them deserves.

Right, because seeking asylum within the bounds of documents such as Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and other such treaties is illegal somehow.

Treaties can get obsolete and must be amended if they come to be consistently and maliciously abused. That something is currently legal does not necessarily mean it should remain that way, nor that nations should honour it if it is clearly against their best interests.

Maybe a third of the total number of migrants can legitimately claim to be refugees. The rest are just that - illegal migrants claiming to be refugees.

[Vassenor]

Right, because seeking asylum within the bounds of documents such as Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and other such treaties is illegal somehow.

Treaties can get obsolete and must be amended if they come to be consistently and maliciously abused. That something is currently legal does not necessarily mean it should remain that way, nor that nations should honour it if it is clearly against their best interests.

Maybe a third of the total number of migrants can legitimately claim to be refugees. The rest are just that - illegal migrants claiming to be refugees.

So what harm is actually being done?

[The Grene Knyght]

That something is currently legal does not necessarily mean it should remain that way

and vice versa.

[Reformed Corea]

Especially those from North Africa. Many ISIS figures are entering Europe, and this is getting serious.

[Vassenor]

Especially those from North Africa. Many ISIS figures are entering Europe, and this is getting serious.

So why has almost all of the terrorism from the last five years (if not more) been carried out by individuals radicalised from within the native-born population?

[Reformed Corea]

Especially those from North Africa. Many ISIS figures are entering Europe, and this is getting serious.

So why has almost all of the terrorism from the last five years (if not more) been carried out by individuals radicalised from within the native-born population?

Second-generation migrants, that's why.

[Vassenor]

So why has almost all of the terrorism from the last five years (if not more) been carried out by individuals radicalised from within the native-born population?

Second-generation migrants, that's why.

Well I don't see any way to make this go back through time.

[Reformed Corea]

Second-generation migrants, that's why.

Well I don't see any way to make this go back through time.

You can't, anyways, unfortunately.

[Vassenor]

Well I don't see any way to make this go back through time.

You can't, anyways, unfortunately.

What makes that unfortunate?

[Union of Despotistan]

The migrant crisis is the single biggest threat for Europe by far.

This overburdens nations's social services, increase crime and keeps the young working class jobless.
This has a negative impact on all the other crumbling aspects of our society.

[Reformed Corea]

You can't, anyways, unfortunately.

What makes that unfortunate?

We could've stopped them from entering.