1991 Soviet Coup Attempt

[Qashistan]

Capitalism =/= freedom

The Russian people have never been, and are not, "free" according to some people's definition of freedom- i.e. participation in democracy.

Yeltsin effectively appointed Putin as his successor. Then Putin to Medvedev, and back to Putin. It has always been this way in Russia, from the Tsars to the present day. In this sense, Russia isn't "free"

[Oil exporting People]

Freedom is the natural state of the masses.

Then why has the entirety of Human existence largely been a state of Caesaropapism, sans the last roughly 30 years?

[Sanctissima]

It's fortunate the coup failed.

Because had it succeeded, Gorbachev wouldn't have been able to continue his crippling policies, and single-handedly destroy the USSR from within.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Gorbachev should be put on trial for treason. He and Yeltsin are/were the worst kind of fifth columnist scum.

[United Muscovite Nations]

On this date 26 years ago, hardline communists in the Soviet Union attempted to seize power from reformist Mikhail Gorbachev. The people went out to the streets of Moscow to resist the attempt to restore Marxist-Leninist tyranny. The people were led by Russian president Boris Yeltsin. The plotters had to retreat due to the power of the common people. The failure of the coup led to the banning of the Communist Party and the eventual dissolution of the Soviet Union in December. Russia became capitalist under Yeltsin right after that and they have been capitalist since. I am glad that the power of the people prevailed. The resistance of the people showed the world that the Russians did not want to be communist. They wanted freedom. If anyone on this site feels the weight on tyranny over them, I urge resistance. Freedom is the natural state of the masses. Tyranny will not last forever. I would like the opinions of the people on this site about the Soviet coup attempt and popular resistance in general. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Is Russia still free today?

>Yeltsin
>free
>literally murder his legislators
>literally rig an election
Yeah, wow, what freedom.

[Improved werpland]

On this date 26 years ago, hardline communists in the Soviet Union attempted to seize power from reformist Mikhail Gorbachev. The people went out to the streets of Moscow to resist the attempt to restore Marxist-Leninist tyranny. The people were led by Russian president Boris Yeltsin. The plotters had to retreat due to the power of the common people. The failure of the coup led to the banning of the Communist Party and the eventual dissolution of the Soviet Union in December. Russia became capitalist under Yeltsin right after that and they have been capitalist since. I am glad that the power of the people prevailed. The resistance of the people showed the world that the Russians did not want to be communist. They wanted freedom. If anyone on this site feels the weight on tyranny over them, I urge resistance. Freedom is the natural state of the masses. Tyranny will not last forever. I would like the opinions of the people on this site about the Soviet coup attempt and popular resistance in general. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Is Russia still free today?

>Yeltsin
>free
>literally murder his legislators
>literally rig an election
Yeah, wow, what freedom.

>is illegitimate body elected during the USSR
>sends group of armed fascists to take over the broadcasting station
>complains when Boris decides to enforce order and calls the military in to sort out the shit and end fascist/communist induced destabilization

Boris did nothing wrong.

[United Muscovite Nations]

>Yeltsin
>free
>literally murder his legislators
>literally rig an election
Yeah, wow, what freedom.

>is illegitimate body elected during the USSR
>sends group of armed fascists to take over the broadcasting station
>calls tyranny when Boris decides to enforce order and calls the military in to sort out the shit and end fascist/communist induced destabilization

Boris did nothing wrong.

Boris was lawfully impeached. It was illegal to dissolve the legislature.

It's also worth noting that ten years later, only 20% of Russians thought Boris did the right thing.

[Geilinor]

>Yeltsin
>free
>literally murder his legislators
>literally rig an election
Yeah, wow, what freedom.

>is illegitimate body elected during the USSR
>sends group of armed fascists to take over the broadcasting station
>complains when Boris decides to enforce order and calls the military in to sort out the shit and end fascist/communist induced destabilization

Boris did nothing wrong.

The legislature was elected in a democratic election even though the USSR wasn't technically gone yet.

[The North Polish Union]

Russia hasn't had a legitimate government since Tsar Vladislav I was deposed in 1612. The bickering of various illegitimate "governments" is unimportant compared with restoring a legitimate government to Moskwa.

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

Gorbachev should be put on trial for treason. He and Yeltsin are/were the worst kind of fifth columnist scum.

then how do you propose the soviet union be saved from ethnonational separatism?

Russia hasn't had a legitimate government since Tsar Vladislav I was deposed in 1612. The bickering of various illegitimate "governments" is unimportant compared with restoring a legitimate government to Moskwa.

How would you do that?
Oh wait let me guess...
*winged hussars.gif*
*EU4 Poland-Lithuania controls all of Pontic Steppe and eastern europe.gif*

[Improved werpland]

>is illegitimate body elected during the USSR
>sends group of armed fascists to take over the broadcasting station
>calls tyranny when Boris decides to enforce order and calls the military in to sort out the shit and end fascist/communist induced destabilization

Boris did nothing wrong.

Boris was lawfully impeached. It was illegal to dissolve the legislature.

It's also worth noting that ten years later, only 20% of Russians thought Boris did the right thing.

The Supreme Soviet and Congress were Soviet remnants which were full of crazy fascist elements, they both should have been dissolved immediately. All they did was try to slow down Boris and call plesbicites that they lost and then claimed were rigged.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Boris was lawfully impeached. It was illegal to dissolve the legislature.

It's also worth noting that ten years later, only 20% of Russians thought Boris did the right thing.

The Supreme Soviet and Congress were a Soviet remnant which was full of crazy fascist elements, they both should have been dissolved immediately. All they did was try to slow down Boris and call plesbicites that they lost and then claimed were rigged.

>we don't have to listen to the legislature or Constitution because reasons
Grasping at straws fam.

[Free Maronites]

Thank god the Coup didn't occur.

The Soviets would have taken control peacefully in the 1996 elections if it wasn't for good old Boris rigging them with Western support.

[Improved werpland]

The Supreme Soviet and Congress were a Soviet remnant which was full of crazy fascist elements, they both should have been dissolved immediately. All they did was try to slow down Boris and call plesbicites that they lost and then claimed were rigged.

>we don't have to listen to the legislature or Constitution because reasons
Grasping at straws fam.

ILLEGITIMATE

They were elected during the USSR fam. That's what we call undemocratic.

If Putin gets to exact aggression on alleged fascists in Ukraine, why can't Boris do the same to actual fascists.

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

>we don't have to listen to the legislature or Constitution because reasons
Grasping at straws fam.

ILLEGITIMATE

They were elected during the USSR fam. That's what we call undemocratic.

If Putin gets to exact aggression on alleged fascists in Ukraine, why can't Boris do the same to actual fascists.

Because they weren't liberal, unlike the Ukrainian fascists /s

[United Muscovite Nations]

>we don't have to listen to the legislature or Constitution because reasons
Grasping at straws fam.

ILLEGITIMATE

They were elected during the USSR fam. That's what we call undemocratic.

If Putin gets to exact aggression on alleged fascists in Ukraine, why can't Boris do the same to actual fascists.

It's well known that the 1990 elections were democratic.

[Improved werpland]

ILLEGITIMATE

They were elected during the USSR fam. That's what we call undemocratic.

If Putin gets to exact aggression on alleged fascists in Ukraine, why can't Boris do the same to actual fascists.

It's well known that the 1990 elections were democratic.

Communists got 90% of the vote and opposition parties weren't allowed to run. Moreover when people voted for the CPSU they thought they were going to get Gorbachev, but instead they got Makashov and Zyuganov.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's well known that the 1990 elections were democratic.

Communists got 90% of the vote and opposition parties weren't allowed to run. Moreover when people voted for the CPSU they thought they were going to get Gorbachev, but instead they got Makashov and Zyuganov.

The CPSU was basically just a front at that point, just about anyone could join. Hell, IIRC, Yeltsin was CPSU at that point.

And, even if he wasn't, he was elected during the Soviet Union, so, by your logic, his election was undemocratic.

[Improved werpland]

Communists got 90% of the vote and opposition parties weren't allowed to run. Moreover when people voted for the CPSU they thought they were going to get Gorbachev, but instead they got Makashov and Zyuganov.

The CPSU was basically just a front at that point, just about anyone could join. Hell, IIRC, Yeltsin was CPSU at that point.

And, even if he wasn't, he was elected during the Soviet Union, so, by your logic, his election was undemocratic.

Nope. People knew what they were getting when they elected Yeltsin.

Even so, would you call a legislative body which organizes fascists militias and has them go around carrying out violent and illegal activities, legitimate, or even democratic?

[The East Marches II]

I wish they had succeeded. It is a tragedy they didn't. We've become soft since the Soviet Union fell. Soft and weak. They were our only true worthy foe.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The CPSU was basically just a front at that point, just about anyone could join. Hell, IIRC, Yeltsin was CPSU at that point.

And, even if he wasn't, he was elected during the Soviet Union, so, by your logic, his election was undemocratic.

Nope. People knew what they were getting when they elected Yeltsin.

Even so, would you call a legislative body which organizes fascists militias and has them go around carrying out violent and illegal activities, legitimate, or even democratic?

They weren't fascist militias, by your own admission, they were communists.

But his position was still a relic of the Soviet system, that is your whole argument against the 1990 legislative elections.

[Shofercia]

On this date 26 years ago, hardline communists in the Soviet Union attempted to seize power from reformist Mikhail Gorbachev. The people went out to the streets of Moscow to resist the attempt to restore Marxist-Leninist tyranny. The people were led by Russian president Boris Yeltsin. The plotters had to retreat due to the power of the common people. The failure of the coup led to the banning of the Communist Party and the eventual dissolution of the Soviet Union in December. Russia became capitalist under Yeltsin right after that and they have been capitalist since. I am glad that the power of the people prevailed. The resistance of the people showed the world that the Russians did not want to be communist. They wanted freedom. If anyone on this site feels the weight on tyranny over them, I urge resistance. Freedom is the natural state of the masses. Tyranny will not last forever. I would like the opinions of the people on this site about the Soviet coup attempt and popular resistance in general. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Is Russia still free today?

Russia was not free in the 1990s. Instead of Government Oppression, it was Mafia Oppression. Boris Yeltsin was a fucking alcoholic, who first sent teenagers into an unjust war, and then left them there to die. Gorbachev deserved to be couped and executed for treason right after Operation Ring, and heck, even before that, if it was known that he planned it. As for the people - most Russians voted to preserve the USSR. Most Crimeans voted to Unify with Russia. Don't these votes matter? I mean if we are to go with the whole "Power to the People" - shouldn't all of the voting results of the People be accepted, not just the ones that the White House likes?

[Sovaal]

I sometimes wonder what the world would be like today if the Cold War had continued.

Then I played Fallout.

[Greater Cesnica]

Nope. People knew what they were getting when they elected Yeltsin.

Even so, would you call a legislative body which organizes fascists militias and has them go around carrying out violent and illegal activities, legitimate, or even democratic?

They weren't fascist militias, by your own admission, they were communists.

But his position was still a relic of the Soviet system, that is your whole argument against the 1990 legislative elections.

This my friends is called being exposed.

[Shofercia]

Capitalism =/= freedom

The Russian people have never been, and are not, "free" according to some people's definition of freedom- i.e. participation in democracy.

Yeltsin effectively appointed Putin as his successor. Then Putin to Medvedev, and back to Putin. It has always been this way in Russia, from the Tsars to the present day. In this sense, Russia isn't "free"

*cough* Republic of Novgorod *cough*

>Yeltsin
>free
>literally murder his legislators
>literally rig an election
Yeah, wow, what freedom.

>is illegitimate body elected during the USSR
>sends group of armed fascists to take over the broadcasting station
>complains when Boris decides to enforce order and calls the military in to sort out the shit and end fascist/communist induced destabilization

Boris did nothing wrong.

Would it be ok for Trump to order the First Tank Battalion to hit Congress, if they attempt to impeach him? No? Cause that's what Yeltsin did with a bottle of vodka in his hand. And the tanks actually fired.



"Boris! Where's vodka?"