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[DRAFT] Commend The MT Army

Postby Marilyn Manson » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:56 am

The Security Council,

Noting that The MT Army is an antifascist invader organization, and one of the most historical ones.

Further Noting that The MT Army has successfully raided around 1,170 fascist regions in the past 7 years.

Even Further Noting that The MT Army has participated in many humongous raids against fascist regions, including the raid and refounding of Nazi Europe three years ago.

Recognizing the dedication from all of The MT Army's soldiers.

Appreciating the assistance The MT Army has provided to the world in it's fight against fascism.

Believing that The MT Army has succeeded in their fight against fascism, and will continue to do so.

Hereby commends The MT Army
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:33 am

Interesting as this may seem, there needs to be more detail.
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:05 pm

Let's not
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:37 pm

First of all thanks for drafting on the forum, so many don't. You've written a legal proposal, but there's no detail apart from the fact that they've raided lots of fascist regions.

So commendable as that may be it's not Commendable.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:51 pm

I'd consider supporting this proposal, but it needs to be more persuasive. It needs more or stronger reasons.
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Postby Marilyn Manson » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:39 pm

Yeah, I need some more detail. Can anyone co-author it with me?
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:06 pm

You should do some research if you want this to pass. Or you could something more reasonable, like commending Funkadelia or condemning Roavin or something along those lines* (either of which is a better option than any commendation of MT Army).
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Postby Fauxia » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:52 am

Just flat out... no. The MT Army slanders many regions in the name of antifascism. Violently opposed. We will campaign against if necessary.
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Postby Fauxia » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:54 am

Kylia Quilor wrote:You should do some research if you want this to pass. Or you could something more reasonable, like commending Funkadelia or condemning Roavin or something along those lines* (either of which is a better option than any commendation of MT Army).
I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.
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Postby Flanderlion » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:08 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:You should do some research if you want this to pass. Or you could something more reasonable, like commending Funkadelia or condemning Roavin or something along those lines* (either of which is a better option than any commendation of MT Army).
I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

The poster probably got the words mixed up. Happens a lot, I get them confused as well.

1170 fascist regions? I didn't even realise NS had that many.
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Postby Fauxia » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:12 pm

Flanderlion wrote:
Fauxia wrote:I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

The poster probably got the words mixed up. Happens a lot, I get them confused as well.

1170 fascist regions? I didn't even realise NS had that many.
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Postby Consular » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:43 am

Flanderlion wrote:
Fauxia wrote:I don't think we would support either of those. Certainly not the former.

The poster probably got the words mixed up. Happens a lot, I get them confused as well.

1170 fascist regions? I didn't even realise NS had that many.

Knowing that poster I think that was quite deliberate.

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Postby Roavin » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:16 am

Yep, there is alot missing here for a good proposal that stands a chance of passing.
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:40 am

Can we all just collectively agree to not commend them and move on?
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Postby Roavin » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:06 am

Kylia Quilor wrote:Can we all just collectively agree to not commend them and move on?


I'm not going to argue for or against a commendation (at least not now) - but if you want to string others along with that sentiment, you'll have to give at least one reason :P
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:12 am

Roavin wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:Can we all just collectively agree to not commend them and move on?


I'm not going to argue for or against a commendation (at least not now) - but if you want to string others along with that sentiment, you'll have to give at least one reason :P

Does it have to be a good one? Or can I just borrow from the TGW handbook of Inventing Bad Reasons?
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Postby Roavin » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:20 am

Kylia Quilor wrote:
Roavin wrote:
I'm not going to argue for or against a commendation (at least not now) - but if you want to string others along with that sentiment, you'll have to give at least one reason :P

Does it have to be a good one? Or can I just borrow from the TGW handbook of Inventing Bad Reasons?


I'm not aware of such a handbook, to be honest. Wardens do have the Handbook of Inventing Reasons to Shitpost, but I doubt you meant that. You might have been thinking of the Handbook of Inventing Foreign Policy Objectives, but that's rather to be found somewhere in your neighborhood. :P :hug:

But more seriously - yes. For the sake of debate, why do you believe they should not deserve a commendation?
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:24 am

Roavin wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:Does it have to be a good one? Or can I just borrow from the TGW handbook of Inventing Bad Reasons?


I'm not aware of such a handbook, to be honest. Wardens do have the Handbook of Inventing Reasons to Shitpost, but I doubt you meant that. You might have been thinking of the Handbook of Inventing Foreign Policy Objectives, but that's rather to be found somewhere in your neighborhood. :P :hug:

But more seriously - yes. For the sake of debate, why do you believe they should not deserve a commendation?

Because we shouldn't reward sanctimonious self-righteousness? Because the next step if this passes is commending Antifa, and we all know that's seventeen different kinds of bad idea.

So they captured a lot of fascist regions. Whoopdeefucking doo. Leaving aside the fact that they have a very expansive definition of 'fascist', last time I checked, the SC doesn't commend people for a lot of piddly raids, else TBH deserves a commendation five times over for their many non-piddly raids.
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Postby Roavin » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:50 am

There we go, there's an argument against! And now somebody can reply why those are not piddly or why MT Army did more than just piddly raids etc.etc.etc.

I do disagree that this is a slippery slope towards commending Antifa, and even if that comes up, I doubt that'll get past the big GCR Delegates in any configuration.

Kylia Quilor wrote:last time I checked, the SC doesn't commend people for a lot of piddly raids, else TBH deserves a commendation five times over for their many non-piddly raids.


They did get two though :P
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:08 am

Roavin wrote:There we go, there's an argument against! And now somebody can reply why those are not piddly or why MT Army did more than just piddly raids etc.etc.etc.

I do disagree that this is a slippery slope towards commending Antifa, and even if that comes up, I doubt that'll get past the big GCR Delegates in any configuration.

Kylia Quilor wrote:last time I checked, the SC doesn't commend people for a lot of piddly raids, else TBH deserves a commendation five times over for their many non-piddly raids.


They did get two though :P

TBH got condemned. I'd be all for condemning MT Army

:P

There we go, there's an argument against! And now somebody can reply why those are not piddly or why MT Army did more than just piddly raids etc.etc.etc.

Kudos for you turning my own words against me, fwiw,
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Postby Cheeksam » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:36 pm

Marilyn Manson wrote:The Security Council,

Noting that The MT Army is an antifascist invader organization, and one of the most historical ones.

Further Noting that The MT Army has successfully raided around 1,170 fascist regions in the past 7 years.

Even Further Noting that The MT Army has participated in many humongous raids against fascist regions, including the raid and refounding of Nazi Europe three years ago.

Recognizing the dedication from all of The MT Army's soldiers.

Appreciating the assistance The MT Army has provided to the world in it's fight against fascism.

Believing that The MT Army has succeeded in their fight against fascism, and will continue to do so.

Hereby commends The MT Army

You have to explain why we should commend them for raiding fascist regions. Because raiding regions is usually condemnation material.

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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:40 pm

Cheeksam wrote:
Marilyn Manson wrote:The Security Council,

Noting that The MT Army is an antifascist invader organization, and one of the most historical ones.

Further Noting that The MT Army has successfully raided around 1,170 fascist regions in the past 7 years.

Even Further Noting that The MT Army has participated in many humongous raids against fascist regions, including the raid and refounding of Nazi Europe three years ago.

Recognizing the dedication from all of The MT Army's soldiers.

Appreciating the assistance The MT Army has provided to the world in it's fight against fascism.

Believing that The MT Army has succeeded in their fight against fascism, and will continue to do so.

Hereby commends The MT Army

You have to explain why we should commend them for raiding fascist regions. Because raiding regions is usually condemnation material.


That's not entirely true. Sure, raiding may prove to be annoying. But it is allowed by the creator and supported in some cases. It's a case-by-case situation.

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Postby Cheeksam » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:50 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
Cheeksam wrote:You have to explain why we should commend them for raiding fascist regions. Because raiding regions is usually condemnation material.


That's not entirely true. Sure, raiding may prove to be annoying. But it is allowed by the creator and supported in some cases. It's a case-by-case situation.

Of course it is allowed. But the innocent natives are being pushed out of their region. TBH got condemned TWICE! for raiding. It's just that why is raiding fascist regions makes it commendable when raiding others is condemned?

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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:17 pm

Cheeksam wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
That's not entirely true. Sure, raiding may prove to be annoying. But it is allowed by the creator and supported in some cases. It's a case-by-case situation.

Of course it is allowed. But the innocent natives are being pushed out of their region. TBH got condemned TWICE! for raiding. It's just that why is raiding fascist regions makes it commendable when raiding others is condemned?


Well, it's because they are fascist. All those other regions were raided for no real justification that is valid. Saying "Just for fun" or "Collecting medals" isn't completely valid. However, there is a valid reason for raiding fascist regions. It's to stop the an ideology; namely, fascism. Their works to stop and curve the tide of concentrated fascism within NS is something commendable as it it works to stop this ideology from spreading.

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Postby Cheeksam » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:23 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
Cheeksam wrote:Of course it is allowed. But the innocent natives are being pushed out of their region. TBH got condemned TWICE! for raiding. It's just that why is raiding fascist regions makes it commendable when raiding others is condemned?


Well, it's because they are fascist. All those other regions were raided for no real justification that is valid. Saying "Just for fun" or "Collecting medals" isn't completely valid. However, there is a valid reason for raiding fascist regions. It's to stop the an ideology; namely, fascism. Their works to stop and curve the tide of concentrated fascism within NS is something commendable as it it works to stop this ideology from spreading.

Yeah, they are imperialists. Imperialism is frowned upon. We should condemn them for forcefully trying to destroy and ideology in NS when all ideologies should be accepted.

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