United Peoples of the Chiefdom of Ibiri wrote:OOC: So cats and guns are banned now?
Only military-grade cats.
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by Wrapper » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:50 am
United Peoples of the Chiefdom of Ibiri wrote:OOC: So cats and guns are banned now?
by Araraukar » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:55 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:59 am
Araraukar wrote: OOC: Which is any cat whose tail you've just stepped on.
by Araraukar » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:07 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Those claws are sharp!
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:52 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:"The Aestorian Commonwealth would like to note the loophole whereby member nations may maintain, and automatically reissue, secret treaties on the understanding that they will resign from the WA to invoke them. While this is not a perfect fix, since it requires trust, it will do to smooth over the short term.
The Aestorian Commonwealth also notes the loophole whereby the provision of treaties with passages disguised, for instance by code or use of unknown languages, has not been banned by the resolution. While this is not a perfect fix, as it requires intelligent use of courts, this loophole may be used for future treaties. To ensure people cannot determine where such clauses are present, all future Ausitorian treaties while this ban is in force will have random gobbledigook.
For alternative loopholing, the national sport of the Aestorian lawyer, we have also filed with the Judicial Committee of the Compliance Commission an infinite treaty, containing all words in this common tongue in every combination and permutation. Since this contains all secret treaties and everything else that will ever be written, this treaty suffices to ensure that WA members are free to invoke their own secret treaties as necessary. We do hope the committee will not press control p, or they will use up the entire WA budget, and still not be able to get enough ink.
We note that the existence of these three loopholes also ensures that the current ban is severely compromised, and we will seek to close these loopholes in our replacement, which will operate to straightforwardly ban any secret diplomacy which requires a participant to commit to warlike or suchlike acts, except in certain exceptions, which we continue to consult on.
In the meantime the Aestorian Commonwealth would also like to unilaterally guarantee all reasonable secret clauses for a month or until a repeal comes into effect, whichever is sooner, to maintain the international peace as secured by secret treaties; and to invite nations unable to maintain their secret treaties to apply to us if they will need protection within or beyond this period."
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by Tzorsland » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:35 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: But usually attached to soft adorableness. However, it's still a stupid thing to put into resolution.
by Excidium Planetis » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:57 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: This is, ultimately, the intellectual weakness of the NatSov position. Not that the argument for reduced interference of supranational governance is without merit, but because without greater specificity in goals or delineation of policies, the term is, as you say, meaningless. The "NatSov" groups have never been able to agree on a more specific metric of what constitutes an international issue, which is why I haven't considered myself a NatSov in quite some time.
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by Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:11 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: This is, ultimately, the intellectual weakness of the NatSov position. Not that the argument for reduced interference of supranational governance is without merit, but because without greater specificity in goals or delineation of policies, the term is, as you say, meaningless. The "NatSov" groups have never been able to agree on a more specific metric of what constitutes an international issue, which is why I haven't considered myself a NatSov in quite some time.
If it necessarily involves two or more nations, and thus cannot reasonably be settled by domestic legislation, it's an international issue. In this way, warfare is an international issue because one nation cannot regulate the acts of war of another through domestic regulation, abortion is not an international issue because any nation can address abortion within its borders by its own regulation.
To explain it differently, Excidium Planetis can adequately deal with abortion on its own, because it doesn't need to worry about abortion in other countries and can deal with abortion in its own borders however it sees fit. But Excidium Planetis must rely on the WA to regulate warfare because Excidium Planetis must worry about other nations conducting war (since it may be a target of those wars itself) but cannot deal with it on its own (not having any control or authority over other nations).
by Araraukar » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:44 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Tzorsland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:43 am
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Hey, two of my nations started as GA forum jokes. Still, putting those jokes into resolutions is silly/stupid. We have a separate joke proposal thread.
by Araraukar » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:37 am
Tzorsland wrote:OOC: There is a vast difference between a resolution that is a total joke and putting a joke in a resolution.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Tzorsland » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:33 am
Araraukar wrote:EDIT: The category and what the defenders of this thing talk about, should have the thing affect national stuff, but the actual language of the proposal talks about international stuff.
by Araraukar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:31 pm
Tzorsland wrote:As a concept I fail to see how the equivalent of a "freedom of information" resolution in and of itself is a "joke."
Secret treaties makes as much sense as secret laws, because treaties are, in effect, law.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Thyerata » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:45 am
by Bananaistan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:06 pm
Thyerata wrote:Since the Secretariat ruled this proposal illegal as a violation of the Committee rule, we consider it void and of no force and effect.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:08 am
Araraukar wrote:OOC: I don't think I ever said it was. If anything, I've said that it doesn't do enough.
Araraukar wrote:And if the resolution actually did anything about "secret treaties", you might have a point, but it doesn't. The title and joke are completely misleading, which I've been complaining about all along.
Thyerata wrote:Since the Secretariat ruled this proposal illegal as a violation of the Committee rule, we consider it void and of no force and effect.
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