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Postby Pavonistade » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:48 pm

Throughout history, numerous events have occurred and brought significant changes to nations, cultures and civilizations. Perhaps one country emerges victorious in a war or beats another country in a technological race (e.g. space race). However, in certain crucial time periods, history could have gone down a different path.

Are there any points in your nation's history that could have resulted in a different conclusion? What would happen if your nation's history took the alternate ending(s) instead of the "normal" ending?
(Note that an explanation/cause for an alternate historical event is not necessarily important, at least for this thread. It is more worthwhile to concentrate on the results that come from changes in history.)

There are certain examples where Pavonistade's history would have taken a different turn, and therefore would have created a different Pavonistade.

Pavonistade was not unified in antiquity
What went down: The Hals'se Combine was an ancient indigenous nation that controlled a significant part of Pavonistade's main island (Mainland Pavonistade). A leader named Chief Ebom launched a military campaign that was ultimately successful. His nation subdued all other indigenous nations and unified all major Pavonistadian islands. Ebom's successor proclaimed the creation of the Jopj Combine (Jopj means "overall" in the Hals'se language), the first nation to unify most of Pavonistade.

What could have went down: The campaign to unify Pavonistade could have easily failed. If Ebom failed to unify Pavonistade, it would have been ruled by various indigenous nations for many more centuries. Early on, their cultures would have continued to evolve differently, since they were not dominated by one overall culture. Pavonistade would be extremely culturally-diverse in antiquity and there might be even more conflicts than in our timeline.

When colonization of Pavonistade begins, the fractured nations of Pavonistade would respond differently to foreign powers (e.g. Lombardia, currently part of Luziyca). This is because foreign powers would interact with various indigenous nations, rather than interact with a single unified nation. The cultural and political dynamic in Pavonistade may be much more different and energetic than what happened in OTL. Perhaps some foreign powers would ally with some indigenous nations against other nations, leading to even more wars and conflicts than in OTL. Different colonies in Pavonistade would have existed without unifying, so this means that modern-day Pavonistade would be altered or even nonexistent (since it is based on a unified colony after the 18th century).

Aucurian Calvarists did not arrive in Pavonistade
What went down: Certain Christians from Aucuria evaded persecution in their country and have arrived in Pavonistade. These Aucurians belonged to a Protestant group called the Calvarists. There were two waves of Calvarists, one coming in the 1530's and another coming in the 1600's. Though their presence in Pavonistade were considered brief, the Calvarists left a noticeable impact on the Pavonistadian islands. The second wave of Calvarists introduced the chicken to Pavonistade. In the decades that followed, the chicken was used as a food source and in cockfights, a concept that previously did not exist in Pavonistade.

What could have went down: The Calvarists may not have arrived at Pavonistade. The changes may be limited but are nevertheless recognizable. The chicken would not have been introduced to Pavonistade, meaning that the indigenous people's diet and culture would not have been impacted so substantially. Aside from this, certain Aucurian cultural elements that may have been carried over to Pavonistade would not have been heard of at all. The Jopj Combine, which ruled over Pavonistade, would not have been much more tolerant of foreigners (though they were already pretty accepting of outsiders) if the Calvarists did not arrive.

The first wave of Calvarists were wiped out (perhaps by disease and food shortages) and they left behind an abandoned settlement. If they did not arrive at all, their legacy would not have been left at all and the Jopj Combine would have received the second wave of Calvarists with somewhat-more suspicion.

New Colonies remained a colony of Lombardia/did not become a viceroyalty
What went down: Pavonistade was once the colony of the nation of Lombardia, known as the New Colonies, On November 1, 1827, it became a Lombardian viceroyalty, which meant that it had control over its own affairs except for certain elements such as foreign policy. November 1 is recognized as the date on which Pavonistade was formed, because it gained de facto independence.

What could have went down: The New Colonies could have remained a colony of Lombardia and not have gained viceroyalty status. If this happened, the Lombardian government would still have much control and influence over its colony. A distinctive Pavonistadian culture would not have formed, or a culture heavily based on Lombardian traditions and customs would have firmly developed. The attainment of de facto independence in OTL may have also encouraged a significant expansion in the New Colonies' population and economy, allowing it to begin evolving into present-day Pavonistade. The New Colonies would have never expanded so significantly if it did not become a viceroyalty.

When Lombardia united with other nations to form Luziyca in 1863, the New Colonies would stay as a territory without much autonomy. Though Pavonistade would be significantly marginalized, independence should not be an impossibility. The costs and responsibilities of directly ruling a distant colony would be burdening, especially as Pavonistade's population, economy and infrastructure would grow over the years. Some form of autonomy would be achieved, though this dream would take many more decades to be achieved.

Pavonistade was not involved in the War of the Confederation
What went down: The War of the Confederation was a conflict in the continent of Conitia, south of Pavonistade. It involved a union called the Confederation on one side, and Allied countries (including Pavonistade and Luziyca) on another side. The war began on 1938, but Pavonistade and Luziyca did not get involved until 1940. That year, the Luziycan Navy vessel LMS Nepobedimy (crewed by Pavonistadians) was bombed by Cortoguay, one of the members of the Confederation. Cortoguay's government offered an apology but not financial compensation, incentivizing Pavonistade and Luziyca to enter the war on the side of the Allies.

What could have went down: At this time, Pavonistade was an associated free state of Luziyca. If Pavonistade was not involved in the War of the Confederation, Luziyca would certainly not be involved in the war as well. It's possible that the war would have lasted much longer, while the level of casualties and destruction in Conitia would have been much higher. As for Pavonistade, it may be spared from wartime terror. However, an economic depression that it was suffering from would have persisted for several more years because the economy would not have been geared for war (and therefore spur a recovery). Pavonistadians would become much more divided, especially since they would not be in a war that could unite them.

The Pavonistade associated free state referendum of 1982 was defeated
What went down: A referendum was held in 1982 to determine Pavonistade's status; whether or not it should remain an associated free state of Luziyca was up for question. It passed in OTL, though by a small margin. Over the next few years, negotiations were held in regards to the future of Pavonistade. In 1985, Pavonistade became an independent sovereign state after its associated free state status was abolished. This had tremendous social, political and economic implications because Pavonistade had full control and jurisdiction over itself. Also, Pavonistade was able to represent itself in many international occasions (e.g. summits), and have a distinct armed forces and foreign policy.

What could have went down: The referendum in 1982 could have ended with Pavonistade remaining an associated free state of Luziyca. Pavonistade would not have full sovereignty and independence, and would not be seen as a distinctive nation. This would also be a defeat for the independentists and nationalists. Efforts to distance Pavonistade from Luziyca would be set back by many years. However, the relationship between Pavonistade and Luziyca would continue to strengthen, perhaps to levels not seen in OTL. In fact, this relationship may grow to a point that any attempts to abolish Pavonistade's associated free state status would be futile - therefore Pavonistade may never be a fully-independent country in the contemporary era.
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Postby Kahlistan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:50 pm

We didn't exist until the Geneva Treaty of WWI.

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Postby Pavonistade » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 pm

Kahlistan wrote:We didn't exist until the Geneva Treaty of WWI.

Interesting. So after Kahlistan began to exist, were there any point in the country's history where things would have turned out differently or ended in a different way? Say, some leader did not get elected or chosen?
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Postby Trumpisslavia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:20 pm

"There are no alternate histories. History itself set up the stage for my glorious reign as Your Excellency the President of the United States, greatest winner in the history of winners, with the greatest electoral landslide in the history of the United States -- THIRTY MILLION VOTES!!! -- the upholder of the good (me, myself, I, my daughter Bengal, my other kids, my adopted son Miller, the wife, and finally the people of the United States) and the punisher of evil (fake media, Mmong, immigrants, Muslims, Chinese, terrorists, fundamentalists in general, homos, et cetera), me, Your Excellency the President of the United States Donald D. Dwarf. The best among the best. Alpha and Omega of human achievement. No bad, all good. Believe me."

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Postby Warg the Immortal » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:04 am

What Went Down: Crown Prince William Graves, and his younger brother, Prince Kessler Graves, were both captured by enemy forces during the 4th year of the "Great Campaign". The Great Campaign (also known as the Second Conquest) was started by Emperor Weston II 'the Invincible' Graves. The First Conquest occurred 200 years previous by Emperor Werner I 'the Conquerer' Graves, and resulted in the conquest of the continent of Chatta. Emperor Weston II desired to expand the Empire to rule the known world.

Princes William and Kessler were captured when their ship was assailed whilst returning to the Capital. No ransom was requested and it was assumed that both Princes were deceased. Emperor Weston was without heir and his wife had died in childbirth years ago, leaving the Imperial Council in disarray trying to designate the next heir to the Throne.

Both Princes were tortured for information, resulting in the death of Prince Kessler. Luckily, Prince William managed to escape from his captors and stowed away on a smugglers ship to return to the Capital. He would later succeed his father in 260 AC, and continue the Great Campaign.

What Could Have Went Down: Both Princes could have been executed and the throne left without heir. Likely resulting in a civil war between the various noble families in an attempt to seize the throne. The Empire would likely be dissolved into smaller Kingdoms.


What Went Down:Emperor Wendell II Graves died leaving no legitimate heir, his only living child was a bastard, named Wormwood Graves. Wendell's uncle, Prince Walker Graves, attempted to seize the throne for himself. However, he was a member of the Order of Algol, and thus had taken a vow of celibacy and vow from holding land. As he was Grandmaster of the Order he led their forces into the capital and proclaimed himself Emperor.

However, the Imperial Army favoured the previous Emperor's bastard son, Wormwood, as he was a Praefect in the Imperial Capital Legion (the most respected branch of the military). He also had the support of the common folk, who saw him as a hero for many successful military endeavours. He ousted Prince Walker, and had him imprisoned for life, and was crowned Emperor Wormwood I 'the Bastard' Graves.

What Could Have Gone Down: The Nobility remained neutral in their support during this civil war, and had they sided with Walker, then the Empire would've been handed to him.


What Went Down: Emperor Wesley II 'the Peaceful' Graves died in 665, and was succeeded by his son, Wormwood II 'the Mad' Graves. Wormwood II decreed insane and cruel laws which resulted in the deaths of thousands. Eventually his two sons, Walker and Wormwood, led a rebellion against him and his loyalists, resulting in the capture and execution of Wormwood II and the crowning of Emperor Walker II.

Walker II would come to be known as 'the Benevolent', due to him spending the majority of his reign attempting to make amends for his father's rule.

What Could Have Gone Down: Emperor Wormwood II could have defeated and killed both his sons, but would likely still have been slain in the end, leaving no heirs to the Empire, causing an age of strife between noble families vying for the throne.
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Postby Crylante » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:35 am

If, when Herre Magnus VII of the Crylantian Empire died in 1557, his sister, Flavia of Lofthus had not been disinterested in taking over, the Crylantian Empire (not really an empire, more just a monarchy controlling Crylante's current territory) would not have entered personal union with tir Lhearaidd, and thus as an independent nation it could have developed very differently from how it did, without a strong historical tie to one of its present day closest partners Crylante could be a lot less prosperous, and it would likely be a lot less culturally connected to Asura.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:01 am

This is an interesting thread. Allow me to explain.

What went down: In the last moments of WWIII, Cheonsa fought the last president of America. In the latter's last breath, he offered everything he had in exchange for being spared and even tempted the former to join The Devil. Cheonsa, with his unwavering faith in God, refused to turn evil and killed him with one last strike. After that, he returned to Asia to create God's empire on Earth, Amenria.

What could have went down: Cheonsa could have accepted the last president's offer, ruling the West instead, and plunging the world into chaos, like how his counterpart in another universe did and created Demogorgia.


What went down: In 2043, Heavenly Emperor Cheonsa's best friend and Heavenly General of Amenria, Kokujyouji Daikaku (also known as Han Younggi) got in a debate which resulted in the former giving Japan and Taiwan to the latter, allowing him to found a new nation, N i h o n. Daikaku's position as Heavenly General was replaced by a Chinese heroine named Ling.

What could have went down: If Cheonsa wasn't so understanding, he would have kept Japan and Taiwan and Daikaku would still be the Heavenly General of Amenria.


What went down: Cheonsa was born as male.

What could have went down: Cheonsa could have been born female, like his counterpart in another universe. Amenria would be a queendom and female Cheonsa would use her birth name, and her title would be Ratu Adil (Just Queen). Amenria's laws wouldn't be as strict as it is now, perhaps it would be a constitutional monarchy instead.


What went down: In WWIII, Cheonsa saved the life of a dying vampire named Aleksandr Novoluniye, despite his hostile feelings towards Aleksandr's kind. His kindness changed Aleksandr and he turned good and joined his side in the war against evil, ultimately becoming the leader of the Supernatural Division in the Amenrian Armed Forces, encouraging peaceful coexistence between humans and theriantropes.

What could have went down: If Cheonsa decided not to throw his hatred of vampires out the window when he met Aleksandr, Amenria wouldn't be so tolerant to theriantropes, and many theriantropes would have stayed evil and became enemies of Amenria.


What could have went down: The world was created with various sentient creatures, such as humans, metahumans, vampires, and so on.

What could have went down: If there were no such things as creatures with superpowers, Amenria wouldn't exist and Cheonsa would join the Indonesian Armed Forces or Interpol. Still, he would be one of the finest crime-fighters in the world.


What went down: Asia won WWIII and Cheonsa survived.

What could have went down: Cheonsa could have died in the final fight against the last president of America. His wives and Daikaku would then take the fight to their own hands and win. Asia would be a group of allied states instead of one, big, nation.
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There's been an attempt on Morgane Bonaparte's life

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Postby Dahon » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:41 am

What happened:
The second Kanamekami Kaname Madoka was assassinated by one of her closest allies and friends, "Diva" Yakumo Homura, under circumstances obscured by history (and perhaps censorship). This led to the fleeing of the suspected masterminds, the military strategist only known by his alias "Kuubi", as well as the Sumatran-born Budhist proselytizer Kijin; the ascension of her daughter and successor Kaname Yui, who proved to be both politically gifted and emotionally distraught; and centuries of suffering for both non-Japonic ethnic groups and immigrants, at first sanctioned by Yui.

What if:
Kaname Madoka survived the attempt on her life

What could've happened instead:
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Postby KiraKira Land » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:28 am

If Natune Aya did not become queen..

KiraKira Land would have been a lawless anarchy. It would be chaotic, but probably still rather cheerful. Crime would be present without control of weapons.

KiraKira Land may have never been recognised as a sovereign nation, instead it would have been a disputed territory in a grey area.
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Postby Pavonistade » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:39 pm

Here's a new (and short) alternate history scenario for Pavonistade. I'll add more if I can.
Pavonistade was not involved in the War of the Confederation
What went down: The War of the Confederation was a conflict in the continent of Conitia, south of Pavonistade. It involved a union called the Confederation on one side, and Allied countries (including Pavonistade and Luziyca) on another side. The war began on 1938, but Pavonistade and Luziyca did not get involved until 1940. That year, the Luziycan Navy vessel LMS Nepobedimy (crewed by Pavonistadians) was bombed by Cortoguay, one of the members of the Confederation. Cortoguay's government offered an apology but not financial compensation, incentivizing Pavonistade and Luziyca to enter the war on the side of the Allies.

What could have went down: At this time, Pavonistade was an associated free state of Luziyca. If Pavonistade was not involved in the War of the Confederation, Luziyca would certainly not be involved in the war as well. It's possible that the war would have lasted much longer, while the level of casualties and destruction in Conitia would have been much higher. As for Pavonistade, it may be spared from wartime terror. However, an economic depression that it was suffering from would have persisted for several more years because the economy would not have been geared for war (and therefore spur a recovery). Pavonistadians would become much more divided, especially since they would not be in a war that could unite them.
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Postby Anollasia » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:22 pm

What happened: The Greek civilization of Lyria disappeared for unknown reasons sometime before English discovery in 1650.

What could have happened: The Lyrians didn't disappear and they would have clashed with the English, though would have lost due to the English military superiority. Lyrians would have been subjugated by the English and either assimilated, destroyed, or rebelled against English authority. They possibly would have allied with the Ottomans who wouldn't have subjugated the Lyrians (at least not as much) to defeat the English. The country could have been ridden or reduced of its English presence. An overwhelmingly Ottoman society with many Greeks would have emerged. He country probably wouldn't even be called Anollasia (named after the English explorer James Anoll). However, if the French still invaded in 1677, they might have been able to keep a portion of the island. The Lyrians may have rebelled against the Ottomans as well, around the time of the Greek War of Independence (1821-1829). France would probably attempt to help the Lyrians but be crushed by the Ottomans, the French authorities being forced to leave the island, though the French population would remain. The Lyrians also would have lost due to lacking in people and military strength. The country would have likely remained under control of the Ottoman Empire until near the collapse of the empire (around 1920). Either they would become an independent nation with a majority Turkish, minority Greek Lyrian population, or be colonized by the Allies of World War I, as part of the partition of the Ottoman Empire. Either the UK would come back and colonize the area or the island would be cut up like a pie between Greece, who would take the area of Jefferton, as that was the Lyrian stronghold, France would come back to take what was once French, and the UK would also come back to take what was once theirs. Other countries like Italy may have been involved, but they would have had less motivations to do so. There may have been a Turkish nationalist movement inspired by the one headed by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in Turkey, but it would have been crushed due to the lack of a good leader, bad organization, and military inferiority. During WWII, France probably would have lost its territories to the UK. The government-in-exile of Greece at the time was also closely controlled by the UK, so Greek territories would have been British in all but name. Eventually, the UK would have usurped power from the Greek territories, in return for their assistance in the Greek Civil War (1946-1949). The island would eventually be granted independence from the UK through a referendum, though more fragmented than ever. The country would face internal strife between ethnic and religious groups and would have an unstable government. Everyone would likely be more radicalized, due to centuries of oppression and intolerance.


What happened: English explorer James Anoll and his co-captain Arthur Jefferson discovered the island and created the colony of Anolland, later known as English Anolland and then British Anolland.

What could have happened: The English may have never discovered the island, but the Ottomans would have, making the island an Ottoman territory. The French might have negotiated with the Ottomans due to their alliance to have a portion of the land. The island would have remained a mainly Ottoman island with a French area which was separate. The French area would have experienced revolts during the French Revolution (1789-1799) against the monarchy. The revolts would have spread to the Ottoman section and would either be successful or unsuccessful. The French area would become successful but if the Ottoman area was successful, it would have become an independent country in the early 1800s. This may have influenced the Greek War of Independence somewhat, showing that independence from the Ottoman Empire is possible. The country would likely be influenced by the French and go through some sort of modernization, or stay relatively backward and be invaded by the French. If the former, the two countries would likely coexist. If the latter, the island would likely experience revolts by the Turks and France would eventually grant them independence through a referendum. France would decolonize but leave its cultural legacy through French people still being left there and the Turks being influenced by them.


What happened: The Ottomans discovered the island in 1655 and engaged in war with England to gain some territorial possessions in the English-Ottoman War. The Ottomans won and claimed the northeastern part of the island, which became Ottoman Anolland.

What could have happened: The Ottomans never encountered the island. The English would have the whole island to themselves until 1677, when the French would invade. They would lose much the southern part of the island as a result. There would be many clashes between France and England over the island, until a peace treaty would be signed between them. The two sections of the island would coexist, though isolated from each other. War would erupt once again between them during the Seven Years' War (1756-1763) and would conclude in France losing its territory due to the Treaty of Paris (1763). The French would probably be subjugated under British rule, attempting to revolt but failing each time. Eventually, the UK would grant independence for the island but would still be in the Commonwealth. The new country would be democratic and would prioritize equality, thus pacifying the French.


What happened: The French invaded in 1677 and occupied most of English Anolland. They were also attempting to conquer Ottoman Anolland, but with failure. In 1686, English Anolland and Ottoman Anolland unified under the Treaty of Anollasia and drove out the French. This resulted in the Condominium of Anollasia (British and Ottoman joint rule).

What could have happened: The French never invaded the island. As a result, the English and Ottomans wouldn't unite in 1686. They would likely remain isolated from each other until the Ottomans attack them again in the name of conquest. This would lead to border clashes but would probably result in a stalemate. Ottoman Anolland would likely be invaded by the British in the 1800s. The whole island would become a British colony and would be called Anolland. The Turks would be persecuted during WWI as they would be considered enemy aliens. Anolland would experience frequent Ottoman revolts which would really pick up in the 1920s, with the rise of the Turkish nationalist movement. They would be somewhat successful and be able to secure an enclave in the New Istanbul area. Revolts would continue until decolonization, in which the UK would grant Anolland independence but would still be part of the Commonwealth. This would not silence the Turks however, as a North Anolland independence movement would emerge. Violence would continue until a ceasefire between the Anolland government and the North Anolland leaders. Anolland would hold a referendum on North Anolland, which would pass. North Anolland would become its own country, although a fairly unstable one due to years of violence. It would be sovereign through fairly dependent on Anolland economically.


What happened: English Anolland and Ottoman Anolland unified under the Treaty of Anollasia in 1686 to drive out the French invaders.

What could have happened: The French would have likely left the Ottomans alone due to the Franco-Ottoman alliance, and vice versa. The English would remain under occupation of France, though they would have recovered some land but not be able to get rid of the French. The English would recover Anollton, as well as the centre and northwest parts of the island. The French would still hold the southern part of the island. Eventually, the French would likely lose their territory in the Treaty of Paris (1763). This would result in a similar situation as before the invasion, British Anolland in the south and Ottoman Anolland in the north. However, the Ottomans would have prospered much more compared to the war torn British Anolland. The Ottomans would expand gradually, taking Troutville, Weston, and Anollton. They would only get that far due to British resistance. As the Ottomans weakened, the British would retake those cities. During WWI, a couple battles would be fought between the British and Ottomans, as they were enemies during the war. The British would win and take over Ottoman Anolland. The Turks would revolt and be able to secure the northeast part of the island. This would be called Turkish Anolland. The UK would decolonize and grant British Anolland independence, though it would still be part of the Commonwealth. British Anolland and Turkish Anolland would become bitter enemies and experience some border clashes.


What happened: Anti-government protests occurred in 1725 due to a number of factors, such as brutal taxes (from Britain and from the Ottoman jizya religious tax), religious tension, incompetence, corruption, cruelty, and the inefficiency of being ruled from so far away. This evolved into a war between Anollasia and Great Britain and the Ottoman Empire. A provisional government was established in 1727 which challenged the colonial one. In 1744, Britain and the Ottoman Empire also started to fight between each other and the Ottoman Empire lost control of their territory in 1745. Anollasia became independent from Great Britain after a victory in the Battle of Avon (1760) and was declared a democratic republic. Elections were held in 1760 and a constitution was written in 1761.

What could have happened: Anti-government protests never occurred. This wouldn't prevent public dissent and smaller scale revolts and demonstrations may have still occurred. They would likely be suppressed and nothing would change. The people would accept that they are destined to live in oppression and would be mostly silenced until the American Revolution (1765-1783) was victorious, proving that independence is not impossible. Revolts would continue but would be suppressed. The French Revolution (1789-1799) would spread the ideals of republicanism and liberty, which would further inspire the Anollasians. Larger scale revolts would take place and would evolve into a revolution. The revolution would be just as bloody as the War of Independence was, and would eventually be victorious. A republic would be declared, though it may not be democratic. Democracy would eventually come.


What happened: After the Anollasian War of Independence, Anollasia became independent and was declared a republic on September 10, 1760 with Richard Stevens its first Prime Minister.

What could have happened: Anollasia could have easily been declared another type of government. It could have been declared an absolute monarchy, though that would be mostly antithetical with the cause of the War of Independence, though an excuse could be made for bringing the head of state from distant lands to home and making government more efficient. Richard Stevens, then head of the Provisional Government and a general, would have likely crowned himself king as Richard I. He would have been the first head of the House of Stevens. Initially, the populace would be upset with the turn of events but would be reluctant to cause more bloodbath so they would go along with it. If Richard would not let the power get to his head, he likely would have been a fairly benevolent ruler (like he was as Prime Minister) and the people would accept the monarchy. However, the Turks would not feel like they were represented, so they would revolt against the monarchy. They would break away and create their own monarchy similar to the Ottoman Empire, headed by a sultan. The country would probably be named Mehmedia, named after Mehmed Pasha, the Ottoman captain who discovered Anollasia. Eventually, the British Anollasians would get fed up with the monarchy due to corrupt or cruel kings and revolt. They would most likely replace the absolute monarchy with a constitutional monarchy. A parliament would be established and a constitution would be written. This would serve them well for a while, until a ruler or even parliament would abuse power. This would lead to another revolt which would probably replace the constitutional monarchy with a republic. However, it's also as likely that nobody would abuse power and Anollasia would remain a constitutional monarchy to this day. With the spread of democracy in the mid 20th century though, a democratic movement would spread and force the king or queen to establish a representative democracy. Meanwhile, Mehmedia would stick with their absolute monarchy until the early 1900s, when the Ottoman Empire became a constitutional monarchy for the second time. However, Mehmedia would likely be invaded by Anollasia and the Turks would be treated second class, which would eventually lead to massacres and persecution. With the establishment of the democratic government, persecution would cease or be reduced and they would get a say in government. There would always be friction between the British Anollasians and Turkish Anollasians and ethnic violence would continue anyway.


What happened: In the 1870s, Anollasia became officially secular through the reforms of Prime Minister Ahmet Çelebi. Many people's lifestyles also became more modern, such as the ban on polygamy and discouragement of dogma and superstition.

What could have happened: Anollasia never became officially secular. Before secularization, there was plenty of religious tension and animosity between Muslims and Christians. There were several times when Christianity became the official religion and other times when Islam became the official religion, mostly depending on the Prime Minister. There were times when there was no official religion, such as during the tenure of Prime Minister Henry Bakersfield, but even then, the government was still involved in religion and vice versa. This would likely continue into the 1870s and beyond. Religious violence would escalate and eventually a war would erupt between Muslims and Christians. There would be bloodbath on both sides, though the Muslim faction would probably win out eventually. A coup d'état would occur, replacing the republic with an Islamic theocracy. Non-Muslims would eventually be taxed very heavily but the Christians would revolt and the Muslim authorities would start massacring Christians. The government would radicalize even more and force conversions to Islam and spread a very dogmatic and conservative type of Islam. Terrorists would spring up, Christian and Islamic, fighting on the streets. The country would be very unstable and keep changing hands between fundamentalist, extremist Christians and Islamists.


What happened: Prime Minister Abdullah Hezarfen abused power in 1886 and declared a military dictatorship. He nullified the constitution, filled the Council of Legislation with his own cronies but eventually shut it down, and massacred, tortured, and executed many innocent people. He was overthrown and executed in 1896 and the republic was restored.

What could have happened: Hezarfen likely always planned to create a military state, considering he was head of the Military Party. The main reason why he was elected was because the previous Prime Minister Jacob Myersfield was very incompetent and an alcoholic. The people wanted a charismatic strongman. If the people had resisted his charisma and instead elected Francis Truman of the Anollasian People's Party (who became Prime Minister after Hezarfen's regime), then many innocent lives would have been spared. However, Hezarfen's regime also caught many criminals swiftly such as Flaming Jack, who was known to steal and plunder and then set fire to the person or place he stole from and escape on horseback. Those criminals likely would not have been caught or at least not until much later. Also, the death penalty would not have been abolished in 1896 because there would be no reason to. There also likely would not have been an Assistant Prime Minister because that office was established after the military dictatorship, to ensure more spread of powers and checks and balances. Anollasia also might not have been pacifistic, because the Anollasian Act of Peace would not have passed since there would've been no real incentive to.


What happened: The Anollasian Act of Peace was passed on March 28, 1912 which ensured Anollasia's pacifistic, diplomatic nature and its neutrality. The Act also transformed the nation's identity by changing its flag, motto, official name, national name, etc. to what they are today.

What could have happened: The Act would not have passed. As a result, Prime Minister Harry Goodman likely would not have been assassinated on July 17, 1912. He would not have had much of a legacy and would be one of the more forgotten Prime Ministers. The military would not have diminished and would have participated in several wars in the 20th century. Anollasia probably would have remained neutral during WWI, as it was recovering from the military dictatorship (1886-1896) which was violent enough. It probably would have joined the Allies in WWII. Anollasia would have joined NATO and allied itself with the West in the Cold War. It would have participated in the Korean War and operations in Afghanistan.


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Postby Taiyochi » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:10 am

What went down: In the last moments of WWIII, Cheonsa fought the last president of America. In the latter's last breath, he offered everything he had in exchange for being spared and even tempted the former to join The Devil. Cheonsa refused to turn evil and killed him with one last strike. After that, he returned to Asia to create an empire, and he became the Heavenly General of Amenria.

What could have went down: Cheonsa could have accepted the last president's offer, ruling the West instead, and plunging the world into chaos, like how his counterpart in another universe did and created Demogorgia. Daikaku fought Cheonsa but failed and banished to other planet. In the other planet, he found a civilization and led them, and found an planetary empire called Vaalbara, he researched a powerful-light based source of power which is the core of the planet itself, and try to use it as a superpower to fight against Cheonsa, and built a huge fleet of interstellar armed force to fight against Demogorgia and it's leader, Cheonsa "Diablo"


What went down: In 2043, Heavenly Emperor Cheonsa's best friend and Heavenly General of Amenria, Kokujyouji Daikaku (also known as Han Yeong Su) got in a debate which resulted in the former giving Japan and Taiwan to the latter, allowing him to found a new nation, Taiyochi. Daikaku's position as Heavenly General was replaced by a Chinese heroine named Ling.

What could have went down: If Cheonsa wasn't so understanding, he would have kept Japan and Taiwan and Daikaku would still be the Heavenly General of Amenria.


What went down: Daikaku was born as male.

What could have went down: Daikaku could have been born female, like his counterpart in another universe. Instead of staying in Asia, Daikaku moved to Europe, and used her birth name, and found a nation named Lieseltany, a queendom in real world's Austria, and is a tetrarchy.


What went down: In WWIII, Daikaku planned to fight in Israel-Palestine border. When he arrived in Palestine, he fought with Palestinians to take their lands back from Israel, and almost died. He prayed to God to give him one more chance, and he rose up with an uncontrollable superpowers and successfully claimed some areas to be the "State of Palestine", and built a huge wall to be the border between Palestine and Israel. Then he fell into a coma for 2 months, then woke up and went back to Asia, and won the WWIII, and became the Heavenly General of Amenria.

What could went down: He died in WWIII, and Amenria was founded without Daikaku, and Ling became the Heavenly General since its foundation.

[spoiler=His friend, Cheonsa did not survive WWIII]
What went down: Asia won WWIII and Cheonsa survived.

What could have went down: Cheonsa could have died in the final fight against the last president of America. His wives and Daikaku would then take the fight to their own hands and win. Asia would be a group of allied states under the name "Unified Asia Pacific Government".
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Postby Gandoor » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:38 pm

What Happened: On 5 July 1902, Nzard William II publicly announced he was going to abdicate and dissolve the throne of Gandoor within the coming months, following several months of negotiations with revolutionaries led by Chiba Masato. On 9 September 1902, he signed documents declaring that the House of Jacobson was dissolved and all government institutions were now under control of the revolutionary forces.

What Could Have Happened: Had William II's proposal for the preservation of the monarchy been accepted by the revolutionaries, in which he was willing to give up any remaining political power, then Gandoor to this day would be a parliamentary monarchy. While it is very likely that Gandoor would remain similar to how it is in the OTL, the 'failure' of the revolution would likely have led to the Gandoor Communist Party ultimately becoming a very minor party, not one of the two major parties as it is in the OTL.


What Happened: In late 1939, Robert S. Stevenson, who had been leader of the Communist Party since 1907 and Prime Minister since 1910, suddenly announced that he was stepping down from his position and would therefore not be seeking a sixth term as Prime Minister come the 1940 National Elections. This announcement came to the surprise of the Communist Party, who quickly elected Johnathan Welder as the third party leader. Unfortunately for them, Welder was too different from Stevenson in the voter's eyes, which led to the first defeat of the Communist Party in a National Election since the establishment of the Democratic Republic in 1904, they ended up with 496 seats while the New Democratic Party ended up with 504 seats. This resulted in Alexei Petrikov, Party Leader of the NDP since 1935, becoming Prime Minister. During Petrikov's years in office, however, he would severely curtail the civil and political freedoms of the Gandoorese people in an attempt to transform Gandoor into a nation modeled after the Soviet Union and he would come to be regarded as a dictator and his era is referred to by historians as 'The Lost Era'.

What Could Have Happened: Stevenson would not have stepped down as Leader of the Communist Party and served a sixth term as Prime Minister. He would likely have not served a seventh term, as he would be 79 years of age come the 1946 National Elections. Regardless, him serving a sixth term would have prevented the election of Petrikov, as one of the reasons why he was elected was his promise to 'keep Gandoor safe from the wars in Europe and Asia' (which he would later use as a reason to enable the State of Emergency Law, enabling him to effectively rule as a dictator), and since World War II concluded in 1945, there would be no reason to elect Petrikov. (Presuming in this altered timeline that he was still leader of the NDP in 1946 and not the leader of his Revolutionary Socialist Party, which he created in 1942 in the OTL)


What Happened: As stated above, Petrikov was elected as the third Gandoorese Prime Minister in 1940 and effectively ruled Gandoor as a dictator in an attempt to transform Gandoor into a nation modeled after the USSR. However, he died suddenly during his second term as Prime Minister, in 1951. While this resulted in the repealing of the State of Emergency law and a de-Petrikovization period as Gandoor returned to a democratic regime, it also resulted in the Gandoor Civil War, which lasted from 1953 until 1957, and as a result of both the Civil War and Petrikov's policies, an economic crisis which officially lasted from 1957 until 1972, although Gandoor wouldn't reach pre-war economic levels until 1985.

What Could Have Happened: Petrikov, who was only 63 in 1951, would have continued his work towards the Sovietization of Gandoor with all private enterprise, which had already been severely curtailed during the 1940's, being outlawed by 1955, with the new economic system of centralized planning officially being enacted in 1953. The Gandoor Communist Party and New Democratic Parties would have been outlawed eventually, ostensibly due to 'being corrupted with imperialist and anti-socialist elements' and membership in the Revolutionary Socialist Party would be made mandatory for Members of the Forum. By the time he would die, Gandoor would have long been a single-party socialist dictatorship and an ally of the USSR, albeit not part of the Warsaw Pact (due to being located near Indonesia and the Philippines) The collapse of the USSR would have either led to Gandoor belatedly transitioning to a market economy similar to China and Vietnam, while still remaining a single-party dictatorship, remaining a single-party dictatorship with a command economy, or having a second revolution and the reestablishment of a democratic government.


What Happened:In 1953, three complete yons and parts of two other yons declared their independence from Gandoor, stating that the reign of Alexei Petrikov proved that the Gandoorese Constitution was too weak to prevent a dictator, and declared themselves the Gandoorese People's Republic. Fighting would erupt soon after and, while the Democratic Republic would quickly gain the upper hand, the war wouldn't officially end until 1957, following one a year of negotiations between the two sides, who had declared a formal ceasefire in 1956, resulting in the People's Republic (referred to officially as 'the commanding structure of the yons and other administrative divisions in rebellion') being dissolved and all rebellious territories were fully restored as part of Gandoor.

What Could Have Happened: Premier Tsubasa Nakashima's 1955 proposal for peace between the Gandoorese People's Republic and the Democratic Republic of Gandoor would have been accepted by Prime Minister Junichiro Suzuki and the Forum, resulting in the recognition of the Gandoorese People's Republic as an independent nation by the government of the Democratic Republic of Gandoor. Due to their locations on the Gandoorese territory, the People's Republic would come to be referred to as South Gandoor and the Democratic Republic as North Gandoor. The two nations would become close allies, both due to their shared history and cultural ties, but also due to both being democratic republics. There would be differences between the two governments, naturally, although the Constitution of South Gandoor would be based upon that of North Gandoor. While there would be some movements towards reunification, the relative lack of border controls, as well as close economic ties, would result in most citizens of both countries being content with remaining two separate but close nations.
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Postby Vallermoore » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:02 pm

If Princess Chrysta had not died, Queen Yocasta would have remained sane and would never have kidnapped and murdered other people's daughters. Her daughter would have ruled well and it is possible that Vallermoore would still be an autocratic monarchy today.


If Queen Amber had ruled wisely and well and not let a large number of criminals free by mistake, it is also possible that Vallermoore would still be an autocratic monarchy today. When she was dethroned and killed, her successor had to agree to lose most of her powers and Parliament mostly took over the job of governing, with the Queen retaining a strictly limited influence.


If the Megatronist Event had not happened, the Old Labour Party would still be ruling Vallermoore.

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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:33 pm

If Neoptolemus of Metanoea did not leave Diarcesia in 52 BC, Diarcesia might be called Metanoea instead, and would be something more like a traditional kingdom. Also, Xanaxstan would not exist. Alternatively, if Neoptolemus's successor, Acteus, went back to Diarcesia from Zovar, we would probably be part of the UPESR today.

If the Romans did not discover Diarcesia about 1500 years ago, Diarcesian Latin would not exist. In its place would be its unique flavor of Greek.

If Arcesius was not left for dead by his friends in the middle of the forest 1000 years ago, Diarcesia might still be a collection of city-states ready for conquest by the Hylvorians to the north.

If Hylvoria and Diarcesia did not unite sometime in the middle ages, the system of self-governing polities would not exist. Diarcesia might be a more ethnocentric and more xenophobic place.
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Postby Sordanifan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:39 pm

The invasion of then the Swedish puppet state of North Suomen had happened, Sordanifan would not exist. However, this never happened because Sweden intervened.

Had the invasion by Russia not happened, Sordanifan would be annexed by sweden and would not be slavic.
Without the Slavic minority existing, Alex I. would never come to power.
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Postby The 50 United Kingdoms of America » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:44 pm

If the great explorers of Europe did not sail off to find the American continent in circa 982 AD than the founding and seeds of independence most likely would've never been sowed to cause independence movements to spring up over the next 100 years.
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Postby Pavonistade » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:47 pm

I have another entry related to Pavonistadian history:
New Colonies remained a colony of Lombardia/did not become a viceroyalty
What went down: Pavonistade was once the colony of the nation of Lombardia, known as the New Colonies, On November 1, 1827, it became a Lombardian viceroyalty, which meant that it had control over its own affairs except for certain elements such as foreign policy. November 1 is recognized as the date on which Pavonistade was formed, because it gained de facto independence.

What could have went down: The New Colonies could have remained a colony of Lombardia and not have gained viceroyalty status. If this happened, the Lombardian government would still have much control and influence over its colony. A distinctive Pavonistadian culture would not have formed, or a culture heavily based on Lombardian traditions and customs would have firmly developed. The attainment of de facto independence in OTL may have also encouraged a significant expansion in the New Colonies' population and economy, allowing it to begin evolving into present-day Pavonistade. The New Colonies would have never expanded so significantly if it did not become a viceroyalty.

When Lombardia united with other nations to form Luziyca in 1863, the New Colonies would stay as a territory without much autonomy. Though Pavonistade would be significantly marginalized, independence should not be an impossibility. The costs and responsibilities of directly ruling a distant colony would be burdening, especially as Pavonistade's population, economy and infrastructure would grow over the years. Some form of autonomy would be achieved, though this dream would take many more decades to be achieved.
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Postby Yatzatz » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:24 pm

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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:48 am

The kingdoms did not unite into a central government

From the 14th to 16th centuries AD, the seven or eight independent kingdoms began to fuse into one, with one monarch to rule over the whole of Kenmoria. This enabled the country to become stronger and have more of an impact on its neighbours.

If this did not happen, Kenmoria would remain seven or eight fairly small kingdoms and not advance so quickly. This wouldn't have much of an impact, as nobody really wanted to invade Kenmoria, until WWII when Adolf Hitler wanted to invade the country after France. With the land so divided, he would have ultimately succeeded and won the war.
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:20 am

Wait a minute... you want me to write a thousand-page thesis about Alternative Universe theory like I did when I was at the Ministry for New Technology back in the late-90s SDL government?
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