by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:18 pm
by Tinhampton » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:21 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:(Yes, I know it's from 2008, but there has not been a significant enough change in the global economy since then to heavily change the figures).
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:24 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:(Yes, I know it's from 2008, but there has not been a significant enough change in the global economy since then to heavily change the figures).
Erm... Great Recession, anyone? Eurozone Crisis? Post-Brexit pound devaluation? Are you absolutely sure that the shit the global economy's been in as of late is "not significant enough" a change?
by Maineiacs » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:27 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:Tinhampton wrote:Erm... Great Recession, anyone? Eurozone Crisis? Post-Brexit pound devaluation? Are you absolutely sure that the shit the global economy's been in as of late is "not significant enough" a change?
It has only heavily affected the higher percentiles (the Westernocentrism I mentioned).
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:35 pm
by Jamilkhuze » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:20 pm
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:47 pm
Jamilkhuze wrote:[region-tag=][/region-tag]The global Gini coefficient (which measures disparities in income) has been decreasing since the start of the 21st century but is still much higher than it was for most of the 20th century.
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The calculated Gini index from this source is much higher but displays a similar trend. Their Gini coefficient decreased from 68.7 to 64.9 between 2003 and 2013.
by Democratic Mongol Popular State » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:50 pm
by Tule » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:17 pm
by Calladan » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:19 pm
In 2014, Oxfam reported that the 85 wealthiest individuals in the world have a combined wealth equal to that of the bottom 50% of the world's population, or about 3.5 billion people
"The top 10% of the U.S. population has an aggregate income equal to income of the poorest 43 percent of people in the world, or differently put, total income of the richest 25 million Americans is equal to total income of almost 2 billion people." (Milanovic 2002, p. 50)
With regard to wealth inequality (researchers defined wealth as the value of physical and financial assets minus debts), a 2006 report with data from 2000 concluded that:
"the top 10% of adults own 85% of global household wealth, so that the average member of this group has 8.5 times the global average holding. The corresponding figures for the top 5%, top 2%, and top 1% are 71% (14.2 times the average), 51% (25 times the average) and 40% (40 times the average), respectively. This compares with the bottom half of the distribution which collectively owns barely 1% of global wealth. Thus the top 1% own almost 40 times as much as the bottom 50%. The contrast with the bottom decile of wealth holders is even starker. The average member of the top decile nearly 3,000 times the mean wealth of the bottom decile, and the average member of the top percentile is more than 13,000 times richer." (Davies et al. 2006, p. 26)
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:20 pm
Democratic Mongol Popular State wrote:You maybe forgot the global market crash that happened right after this graph ended.
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:22 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:2. Supporters of the theory have their thoughts heavily infuenced by the "x people have as much as half of all people". However, the x is currently at best less than 1/100,000 of a percent, and these people are complete statistical outliers that have no ability of saying anything about large-scale trends.
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:24 pm
Calladan wrote:As with all things, there are multiple points of view, and multiple ways to present the information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_inequalityIn 2014, Oxfam reported that the 85 wealthiest individuals in the world have a combined wealth equal to that of the bottom 50% of the world's population, or about 3.5 billion people
To me, that sounds a tad unequal. But what do I know?"The top 10% of the U.S. population has an aggregate income equal to income of the poorest 43 percent of people in the world, or differently put, total income of the richest 25 million Americans is equal to total income of almost 2 billion people." (Milanovic 2002, p. 50)With regard to wealth inequality (researchers defined wealth as the value of physical and financial assets minus debts), a 2006 report with data from 2000 concluded that:
"the top 10% of adults own 85% of global household wealth, so that the average member of this group has 8.5 times the global average holding. The corresponding figures for the top 5%, top 2%, and top 1% are 71% (14.2 times the average), 51% (25 times the average) and 40% (40 times the average), respectively. This compares with the bottom half of the distribution which collectively owns barely 1% of global wealth. Thus the top 1% own almost 40 times as much as the bottom 50%. The contrast with the bottom decile of wealth holders is even starker. The average member of the top decile nearly 3,000 times the mean wealth of the bottom decile, and the average member of the top percentile is more than 13,000 times richer." (Davies et al. 2006, p. 26)
In 2015, figures estimated that 71% of the adults owned under $10,000 in wealth, which accounted for 3% of the global wealth share. At the other end of the scale, 0.7% of the adults owned over $1m in wealth, which accounted for just over 45% of the world's wealth.
https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/
So yeah. I think that the claim that global inequality is decreasing really depends on your point of view.
by New haven america » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:25 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:(Yes, I know it's from 2008, but there has not been a significant enough change in the global economy since then to heavily change the figures).
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:27 pm
The Widening Gyre wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:2. Supporters of the theory have their thoughts heavily infuenced by the "x people have as much as half of all people". However, the x is currently at best less than 1/100,000 of a percent, and these people are complete statistical outliers that have no ability of saying anything about large-scale trends.
It absolutely does matter, since your graph is measuring percent growth after all. That a Chinese middle class is able to increase its income from $5000 to $7500 is great, but those 95th through 99th percentilers are also getting growth from, say, $750 000 to $1 130 000 (just to throw out numbers for comparison) during that same period. Which is the crux of the issue - those Chinese middle class people and the global poor could (and that's another thing) keep their incomes growing at a rapid rate for a very long time and still never catch up to those upper percentiles.
by The Widening Gyre » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:38 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:Except that the graph shows that if you are above the 7th percentile, but below the 72nd, you are easily outrunning the 99th in income growth.
by Cannot think of a name » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:50 pm
by Calladan » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:27 pm
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:42 am
Calladan wrote:And the last decade.
As one of us (Finn Tarp) recently explained in an interview, take the case of two people in Vietnam in 1986. One person had an income of US$1 a day and the other person had an income of $10 a day. With the kind of economic growth that Vietnam has seen over the past 30 years, the first person would now in 2016 have $8 a day, while the second person would have $80 a day. So if we focus on ‘absolute’ differences, inequality has gone up, while a focus on ‘relative’ differences suggests that inequality between these two people has remained the same.
by Constantinopolis » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:41 am
by Autenon » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:54 am
by Frank Zipper » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:08 am
by Calladan » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:22 am
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:23 am
Autenon wrote:Your chart conveniently caps at 2011. Since then... well, I'm Russian and I can assure you we have meteoric inequality. All the other countries bar China and India have gone into recession for one reason or another.
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