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Do you want the bill to pass?

Poll ended at Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:24 am

Yes, I do!
114
42%
Kind of...
29
11%
Neutral
19
7%
No, not really
18
7%
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
91
34%
 
Total votes : 271

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Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

Postby Canada Provinces » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:24 am

Mod Edit: This is the merged mess for talking about the recently passed US Health Care Reform. Enjoy.

The greatly anticipate health care bill is going through the House of Representatives today. President Barrack Obama will likely sign this bill the second he gets it if it goes through the House, and then the Senate, but last time it went through the Senate it was rejected. If the bill isn't passed today, they will vote on it again in November.

I think that the part about the bill, that says that you have to buy coverage or be fined is ridiculous! Its their choice, but that's just me.
What about you?
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:56 am

Isn't Obama on his tour in Asia?

They were unable to get the votes without amending the bill so it must go through the senate again.
And it is likely going to be subject to a filibuster again.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:59 am

Healthcare bill? What's that then?
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:02 am

Canada Provinces wrote:The greatly anticipate health care bill is going through the House of Representatives today. President Barrack Obama will likely sign this bill the second he gets it if it goes through the House, and then the Senate, but last time it went through the Senate it was rejected. If the bill isn't passed today, they will vote on it again in November.

I think that the part about the bill, that says that you have to buy coverage or be fined is ridiculous! Its their choice, but that's just me.
What about you?

DON'T TREAD ON ME. HANDS OFF MY HEALTHCARE.YOU CAN'T CHARGE ME FOR NOT WANTING YOUR INSURANCE.MANDATORY HEALTHCARE INSURANCE IS BAD FOR ALL AMERICANS.
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Postby Milks Empire » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:04 am

I oppose this bill because of the double threat of the mandate and the lack of a public option.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:05 am

greed and death wrote:Isn't Obama on his tour in Asia?

They were unable to get the votes without amending the bill so it must go through the senate again.
And it is likely going to be subject to a filibuster again.

the husband says that he heard (from some crazy source that he wouldnt reveal to me) that the president stayed home so that he would be able to institute martial law when armed protests break out after the bill is passed.
whatever

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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:06 am

I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:07 am

Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:Isn't Obama on his tour in Asia?

They were unable to get the votes without amending the bill so it must go through the senate again.
And it is likely going to be subject to a filibuster again.

the husband says that he heard (from some crazy source that he wouldnt reveal to me) that the president stayed home so that he would be able to institute martial law when armed protests break out after the bill is passed.

Someone has been reading my dream diary again.
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Postby Underworld City » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:07 am

I cannot possibly imagine the frustration if Obama passed this friggin' bil!


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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:07 am

Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:08 am

Underworld City wrote:I cannot possibly imagine the frustration if Obama passed this friggin' bil!

are you an example of the kind of person who would be frustrated?

OBAMA isnt going to pass this friggin' bill, eh? the congress is.
whatever

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Postby Karsol » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:08 am

Underworld City wrote:I cannot possibly imagine the frustration if Obama passed this friggin' bil!

More like the happiness of those who currently can't afford todays health-care system.
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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:08 am

greed and death wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.


So it's just another Insurance Company?

Then how is it going to help the poor, if they have to pay the same rates on it anyway?

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Postby Manahakatouki » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:08 am

Silly Americans, Health Cares for Canada :D
And so it was, that I had never changed.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:09 am

Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

its obvious that you havent researched it since there IS no public option in the bill.
whatever

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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:10 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

its obvious that you havent researched it since there IS no public option in the bill.


I... just said in my original post that I hadn't researched it.

Oh god, you found me out. Now everyone who didn't read my original post will know.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:10 am

Vesser wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.


So it's just another Insurance Company?

Then how is it going to help the poor, if they have to pay the same rates on it anyway?

the POOR arent a problem. they have had health care through medicaid for decades.
whatever

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Postby Barringtonia » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:11 am

What's next on the agenda after healthcare, if it a less tedious debate subject then go healthcare, if it's more tedious then boo healthcare,

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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:12 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Vesser wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.


So it's just another Insurance Company?

Then how is it going to help the poor, if they have to pay the same rates on it anyway?

the POOR arent a problem. they have had health care through medicaid for decades.


So then what's the point of a public option, if it's not for the poor?

Is it for the people who have health insurance, because Congress is going to be really embarrassed when they hear they were late to the party.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:12 am

It's nice to know that after a year and a half of debate, Congress can finally create a small improvement that won't take effect for 4 years and wrap it in a corporate giveaway.

As opposed to no improvement at all, I suppose I'll have to take it. *sigh*
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:13 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:DON'T TREAD ON ME. HANDS OFF MY HEALTHCARE.YOU CAN'T CHARGE ME FOR NOT WANTING YOUR INSURANCE.MANDATORY HEALTHCARE INSURANCE IS BAD FOR ALL AMERICANS.


Hands off my healthcare?

What - exactly - would this bill change about your healthcare?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:14 am

Barringtonia wrote:What's next on the agenda after healthcare, if it a less tedious debate subject then go healthcare, if it's more tedious then boo healthcare,

This is how I decide my political stances,

oh its all yucky.

financial reform

cap and trade

immigration reform

why cant we have a year of fighting over the official national taco recipe??
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:14 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Vesser wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.


So it's just another Insurance Company?

Then how is it going to help the poor, if they have to pay the same rates on it anyway?

the POOR arent a problem. they have had health care through medicaid for decades.


The POOR-est, sure. The 'poor' now includes a third of the nation.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:15 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Vesser wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.


So it's just another Insurance Company?

Then how is it going to help the poor, if they have to pay the same rates on it anyway?

the POOR arent a problem. they have had health care through medicaid for decades.


The idea with a public option is you could choose an insurance company where the person in charge doesn't make 7 figures for denying you coverage whenever possible.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:16 am

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
Vesser wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Vesser wrote:I could honestly care less about Health Care (I haven't really researched it, honestly).

My only problem with the bill is that a Public Option would mean the public pays for it (if I understood it correctly). That means, even if I have health insurance, my taxes will increase, and I'll have to pay for something I'll never use. If someone could enlighten me and prove me wrong, I'd be a bit more secure about the bill.

the public option has a premium just like all other insurance.


So it's just another Insurance Company?

Then how is it going to help the poor, if they have to pay the same rates on it anyway?

the POOR arent a problem. they have had health care through medicaid for decades.


The idea with a public option is you could choose an insurance company where the person in charge doesn't make 7 figures for denying you coverage whenever possible.


This is true.
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