Confirmation before moving Regions?

[Greater Cesnica]

This is the fifth time this has happened to me, and I have had enough! I access a region's page to see info on it and to send an embassy request, and I accidentally hit the "Move Nations" Button. This is preposterous. Why should something as significant as moving your nation not require a confirmation, risking and losing all our influence in said region! We should have a confirmation screen that pops up everytime you click on the button so that you have to manually press 'Yes'. This would be EXTREMELY simple to implement, and I cannot see for the life of me anything that could prevent said feature from being implemented.

[Cormactopia Prime]

This isn't a bad idea, but if it's implemented I would like to suggest to admins that they include an option under each nation's settings allowing them to disable these confirmations. Confirmations would significantly slow down R/D gameplay, but that's no reason not to do it so other users can benefit as long as there is a way to disable confirmations if you don't want them.

In response to the OP, I also wanted to let you know you don't lose influence all at once if you move regions. It gradually decreases over time, and if you move back to the region you came from before a game update, you won't lose any influence in that region at all.

[Raionitu]

I like this idea, and think it should have the optional confirmation button like what there currently is with issues. That way it's only affecting people who don't want to change regions a lot.

[Roavin]

I'm with Rai. This is a wonderful idea as an option:

With confirmation: Great for most people that place their nation in a region and leave it there to gather endorsements and increase their residency stat and such.
Without confirmation: Better for R/D (though it could be worked around) as well as several other (admittedly rare) use cases, such as Mikeswill's low-key recruiting through feeder visits, clearing happenings spam, nations like the "you are featured" one, etc.

[The Noble Thatcherites]

I concur with Rai and Roavin here. I use the confirmation button with issues all the time, I know that most people might get annoyed by it, but it surely does save me occasionally. Making a voluntary confirmation button for moving regions doesn't sound like a huge thing to add when so many people would use it.

[Galiantus VII]

What would be the default setting?

This matters a lot. If the default setting is not confirmation, then the new situation isn't all that different from what we have right now, but people who would like it get to have it (sounds like ROs and delegates, most likely). If it is the default, however, then everyone automatically reaps the benefits of not mistakenly moving their nation, but setting up switchers for R/D becomes even more of a pain than it already is - especially for defenders, whose new recruits are likely to always have that random puppet they forgot to swap the settings for.

[Leutria]

I am pretty sure we have had this conversation before, and I am pretty sure the consensus was that the R/D community is fine with thing as long as it is an option and the default is no confirmation.

[[violet]]

This is the fifth time this has happened to me, and I have had enough! I access a region's page to see info on it and to send an embassy request, and I accidentally hit the "Move Nations" Button. This is preposterous. Why should something as significant as moving your nation not require a confirmation, risking and losing all our influence in said region! We should have a confirmation screen that pops up everytime you click on the button so that you have to manually press 'Yes'. This would be EXTREMELY simple to implement, and I cannot see for the life of me anything that could prevent said feature from being implemented.

You don't lose any influence when moving out of a region. You start to lose some (slowly, at first) for each update you're out of the region.

There are lots of requests for confirmation buttons on everything. Every single button on the site, someone wants a confirmation for it because they misclicked it. But some people don't, so then everyone agrees there should be a checkbox in Settings for whether you want confirmations or not. Settings would be eight pages long if I did this. Even when I implement the setting, like for issues, people don't always use it and so then they say it should be the default. But no. There will not be confirmations on everything.

I am interested in how you keep misclicking "Move Region," though. It's not near anything to do with embassy requests as far as I can see.

[Roavin]

What would be the default setting?

This matters a lot. If the default setting is not confirmation, then the new situation isn't all that different from what we have right now, but people who would like it get to have it (sounds like ROs and delegates, most likely). If it is the default, however, then everyone automatically reaps the benefits of not mistakenly moving their nation, but setting up switchers for R/D becomes even more of a pain than it already is - especially for defenders, whose new recruits are likely to always have that random puppet they forgot to swap the settings for.

I'd assume the vast majority of players don't move around regions much, and in fact wouldn't want to do so accidentally. So even though it would disadvantage the fuck out of me >_> I'd actually suggest turning it on by default.

Admin, is changing a setting a restricted action (presumably no, since it doesn't trigger a happening)? If not, I can probably make a small little tool for R/Ders to bulk-change their setting given a list of nations and passwords (basically like an auto-login), should this be implemented.

[Blitzkeig]

This is the fifth time this has happened to me, and I have had enough! I access a region's page to see info on it and to send an embassy request, and I accidentally hit the "Move Nations" Button. This is preposterous. Why should something as significant as moving your nation not require a confirmation, risking and losing all our influence in said region! We should have a confirmation screen that pops up everytime you click on the button so that you have to manually press 'Yes'. This would be EXTREMELY simple to implement, and I cannot see for the life of me anything that could prevent said feature from being implemented.

You don't lose any influence when moving out of a region. You start to lose some (slowly, at first) for each update you're out of the region.

There are lots of requests for confirmation buttons on everything. Every single button on the site, someone wants a confirmation for it because they misclicked it. But some people don't, so then everyone agrees there should be a checkbox in Settings for whether you want confirmations or not. Settings would be eight pages long if I did this. Even when I implement the setting, like for issues, people don't always use it and so then they say it should be the default. But no. There will not be confirmations on everything.

I am interested in how you keep misclicking "Move Region," though. It's not near anything to do with embassy requests as far as I can see.

I misclick it a lot if I've just gained regional controls, because I forget where it is and for ease of moving around the screen I generally work by mechanical reflexes as I'm using a screen reader. By far the worst one though is post suppression, many a newb has asked me why I just suppressed his/her post when I was trying o like/reply to it.

[Drasnia]

What would be the default setting?

This matters a lot. If the default setting is not confirmation, then the new situation isn't all that different from what we have right now, but people who would like it get to have it (sounds like ROs and delegates, most likely). If it is the default, however, then everyone automatically reaps the benefits of not mistakenly moving their nation, but setting up switchers for R/D becomes even more of a pain than it already is - especially for defenders, whose new recruits are likely to always have that random puppet they forgot to swap the settings for.

I'd assume the vast majority of players don't move around regions much, and in fact wouldn't want to do so accidentally. So even though it would disadvantage the fuck out of me >_> I'd actually suggest turning it on by default.

Admin, is changing a setting a restricted action (presumably no, since it doesn't trigger a happening)? If not, I can probably make a small little tool for R/Ders to bulk-change their setting given a list of nations and passwords (basically like an auto-login), should this be implemented.

Yeah, I think the best implementation would be to make it require confirmation by default. Unchecking the setting would just be one of those things you have to do with your puppets before update, like applying to the WA. It's not a big deal I don't think.

[Galiantus VII]

What would be the default setting?

This matters a lot. If the default setting is not confirmation, then the new situation isn't all that different from what we have right now, but people who would like it get to have it (sounds like ROs and delegates, most likely). If it is the default, however, then everyone automatically reaps the benefits of not mistakenly moving their nation, but setting up switchers for R/D becomes even more of a pain than it already is - especially for defenders, whose new recruits are likely to always have that random puppet they forgot to swap the settings for.

I'd assume the vast majority of players don't move around regions much, and in fact wouldn't want to do so accidentally. So even though it would disadvantage the fuck out of me >_> I'd actually suggest turning it on by default.

Admin, is changing a setting a restricted action (presumably no, since it doesn't trigger a happening)? If not, I can probably make a small little tool for R/Ders to bulk-change their setting given a list of nations and passwords (basically like an auto-login), should this be implemented.

The main barrier keeping me from regular participation in R/D is the hassle of dealing with switchers - and I suspect the same is true of other players as well. I, of course, am willing to look into tools to help me maintain switchers, but I've been around NS for several years now, and this would be the first time I'm hearing of the possibility of those tools and can actually appreciate them. I am therefore skeptical that many new players will realize such tools exist and realize it will make it easier for them to play. I would like to see more solutions to technical problems which make it easier for a new player to jump in and participate in the fun of R/D.

So here's a thought: what if, when a nation makes a move to another region, its move is sent to the happenings feed, but if the move is not confirmed then it is moved back to the previous region and both instances of moving are removed from the happenings feed?

[Destructive Government Economic System]

This addition would be greatly supported by me, especially since my region forbids leaving (accidentally leaving is forgiven, though, but it's embarrassing).

[Greater Cesnica]

I like this idea, and think it should have the optional confirmation button like what there currently is with issues. That way it's only affecting people who don't want to change regions a lot.

Good idea!

[Greater Cesnica]

This is the fifth time this has happened to me, and I have had enough! I access a region's page to see info on it and to send an embassy request, and I accidentally hit the "Move Nations" Button. This is preposterous. Why should something as significant as moving your nation not require a confirmation, risking and losing all our influence in said region! We should have a confirmation screen that pops up everytime you click on the button so that you have to manually press 'Yes'. This would be EXTREMELY simple to implement, and I cannot see for the life of me anything that could prevent said feature from being implemented.

You don't lose any influence when moving out of a region. You start to lose some (slowly, at first) for each update you're out of the region.

There are lots of requests for confirmation buttons on everything. Every single button on the site, someone wants a confirmation for it because they misclicked it. But some people don't, so then everyone agrees there should be a checkbox in Settings for whether you want confirmations or not. Settings would be eight pages long if I did this. Even when I implement the setting, like for issues, people don't always use it and so then they say it should be the default. But no. There will not be confirmations on everything.

I am interested in how you keep misclicking "Move Region," though. It's not near anything to do with embassy requests as far as I can see.

You've read everyone else's comments. I agree, not everything should have a confirmation. Just like issues have a confirmation, because they are to crucial, Region moving should be too, as it is a crucial in-game feature that misclicking could cause a whole lot of inter-regional trouble, if let's say, a WA Delegate, or a Founder leaves.

[Blitzkeig]

You don't lose any influence when moving out of a region. You start to lose some (slowly, at first) for each update you're out of the region.

There are lots of requests for confirmation buttons on everything. Every single button on the site, someone wants a confirmation for it because they misclicked it. But some people don't, so then everyone agrees there should be a checkbox in Settings for whether you want confirmations or not. Settings would be eight pages long if I did this. Even when I implement the setting, like for issues, people don't always use it and so then they say it should be the default. But no. There will not be confirmations on everything.

I am interested in how you keep misclicking "Move Region," though. It's not near anything to do with embassy requests as far as I can see.

You've read everyone else's comments. I agree, not everything should have a confirmation. Just like issues have a confirmation, because they are to crucial, Region moving should be too, as it is a crucial in-game feature that misclicking could cause a whole lot of inter-regional trouble, if let's say, a WA Delegate, or a Founder leaves.

It's also a problem in regions where only a few people have the password. I was once in Tyrrhenia, and because our founder was rather inactive I struggled to get the password when I accidentally moved; it literally took me a week to get it.

[Consular]

I'm inclined to say this is unnecessary. Just stop pressing the wrong button. And even if you do accidentally leave, you can move back right away and there are no consequences whatsoever. Except when you don't have the password I guess, but again you really ought to be a tad more careful.

[Jakker]

I'd assume the vast majority of players don't move around regions much, and in fact wouldn't want to do so accidentally. So even though it would disadvantage the fuck out of me >_> I'd actually suggest turning it on by default.

Admin, is changing a setting a restricted action (presumably no, since it doesn't trigger a happening)? If not, I can probably make a small little tool for R/Ders to bulk-change their setting given a list of nations and passwords (basically like an auto-login), should this be implemented.

Yeah, I think the best implementation would be to make it require confirmation by default. Unchecking the setting would just be one of those things you have to do with your puppets before update, like applying to the WA. It's not a big deal I don't think.

Yeah, I don't see why this should be a thing. Especially if it becomes the default setting. Imagine having to go through every puppet to change that

[Luna Amore]

You don't lose any influence when moving out of a region. You start to lose some (slowly, at first) for each update you're out of the region.

There are lots of requests for confirmation buttons on everything. Every single button on the site, someone wants a confirmation for it because they misclicked it. But some people don't, so then everyone agrees there should be a checkbox in Settings for whether you want confirmations or not. Settings would be eight pages long if I did this. Even when I implement the setting, like for issues, people don't always use it and so then they say it should be the default. But no. There will not be confirmations on everything.

I am interested in how you keep misclicking "Move Region," though. It's not near anything to do with embassy requests as far as I can see.

You've read everyone else's comments. I agree, not everything should have a confirmation. Just like issues have a confirmation, because they are to crucial, Region moving should be too, as it is a crucial in-game feature that misclicking could cause a whole lot of inter-regional trouble, if let's say, a WA Delegate, or a Founder leaves.

Not really. In either case the nation moves back, no harm no foul. The only thing you lose is the residency tally.

A confirmation for issues made sense because 1) that major revamp changed the system from processing issues every update to processing them immediately and 2) issues cannot be reversed. This can be easily and quickly reversed so I'm not sure why an extra confirmation would be necessary.

[Gibraltarica]

One point about making it the default I just thought of: what about new nations? Many already don't move. Can you imagine the GCRs being even more bloated if those folks have to confirm their movement? They might think of it as necessarily being a big deal.

[Bedetopia]

You can fix it yourself by filtering out the move button with Ublock Origin.

[Bears Armed]

Not really. In either case the nation moves back, no harm no foul. The only thing you lose is the residency tally.

Which might matter for some people.
Oh, and of course that would temporarily affect eligibility to vote in 'residents-only' polls...

[Greater Cesnica]

You've read everyone else's comments. I agree, not everything should have a confirmation. Just like issues have a confirmation, because they are to crucial, Region moving should be too, as it is a crucial in-game feature that misclicking could cause a whole lot of inter-regional trouble, if let's say, a WA Delegate, or a Founder leaves.

Not really. In either case the nation moves back, no harm no foul. The only thing you lose is the residency tally.

A confirmation for issues made sense because 1) that major revamp changed the system from processing issues every update to processing them immediately and 2) issues cannot be reversed. This can be easily and quickly reversed so I'm not sure why an extra confirmation would be necessary.

Not really. In either case the nation moves back, no harm no foul. The only thing you lose is the residency tally.

Which might matter for some people.
Oh, and of course that would temporarily affect eligibility to vote in 'residents-only' polls...

This is why. Again, it isn't a mandatory option.

[Galiantus VII]

I'm inclined to say this is unnecessary. Just stop pressing the wrong button. And even if you do accidentally leave, you can move back right away and there are no consequences whatsoever. Except when you don't have the password I guess, but again you really ought to be a tad more careful.

Maybe introduce a confirmation for leaving passworded regions, then. Ask "Are you sure you want to move? [region] is passworded and you may be unable to return!"

[Luna Amore]

Not really. In either case the nation moves back, no harm no foul. The only thing you lose is the residency tally.

A confirmation for issues made sense because 1) that major revamp changed the system from processing issues every update to processing them immediately and 2) issues cannot be reversed. This can be easily and quickly reversed so I'm not sure why an extra confirmation would be necessary.

Which might matter for some people.
Oh, and of course that would temporarily affect eligibility to vote in 'residents-only' polls...

This is why. Again, it isn't a mandatory option.

That's a really minor reason (that doesn't affect the overwhelming majority of players) to add a new setting confirmation.

The button itself is already not near any other controls or buttons. I would suspect most people get used to the site quick enough to the point that this would be irrelevant.