Don't be deliberately obtuse. Any analogy gets stretched the further it goes from it's original point.
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by Len Hyet » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:12 pm
by Trollgaard » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:13 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:13 pm
Sovaal wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
What's the point of bending over without giving it a fight for pride and honor's sake? Would you let someone just waltz into your home and not at least try and give them a bloody nose?
No, you would stand and fight, as its your home.
So obviously I should have my kids kill themselves trying to possibly kill a home invader.
by Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:14 pm
by Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:16 pm
by Len Hyet » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:18 pm
Sovaal wrote:Len Hyet wrote:Don't be deliberately obtuse. Any analogy gets stretched the further it goes from it's original point.
Except I'm legitimately asking him as to why. My orginal point was that the Japanese where so proud that they trained their own children to kill themselves trying to kill Allied soldiers, and then he made the analogy about the home invasion.
by Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:19 pm
Len Hyet wrote:Sovaal wrote:Except I'm legitimately asking him as to why. My orginal point was that the Japanese where so proud that they trained their own children to kill themselves trying to kill Allied soldiers, and then he made the analogy about the home invasion.
It wasn't pride it was fear. Absolute terror. Primal instinctive mindless horror because the Japanese believed they were about to be treated as they had treated the peoples they had conquered. If the alternative to fighting to the death was your sons being tortured for fun, enslaved, murdered on a whim, and your daughters much the same only with a healthy dose of systematic organized rape for good measure then you can be damn sure that you'd teach your kids to fight like demons.
by Len Hyet » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:22 pm
Sovaal wrote:Len Hyet wrote:It wasn't pride it was fear. Absolute terror. Primal instinctive mindless horror because the Japanese believed they were about to be treated as they had treated the peoples they had conquered. If the alternative to fighting to the death was your sons being tortured for fun, enslaved, murdered on a whim, and your daughters much the same only with a healthy dose of systematic organized rape for good measure then you can be damn sure that you'd teach your kids to fight like demons.
I know as to why they did it, it still doesn't change the fact that it was worthless. And the Allies didn't do that.
by Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:26 pm
Len Hyet wrote:Sovaal wrote:I know as to why they did it, it still doesn't change the fact that it was worthless. And the Allies didn't do that.
Of course the Allies didn't do that but that's not the point. The point is that the Japanese believed with all their minds and souls that the absolute barbarism they had sown was about to be reaped.
So let me give you the same choice the Japanese were faced with. Knowing, with the kind of faith that can only be borne of religion, that your children are about to be tortured, raped, and murdered the hands of an all-but-demonic host, do you bend over and take it or teach your children to fight so maybe they have a chance of dying with a little dignity instead.
by Trollgaard » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:28 pm
Sovaal wrote:Len Hyet wrote:Of course the Allies didn't do that but that's not the point. The point is that the Japanese believed with all their minds and souls that the absolute barbarism they had sown was about to be reaped.
So let me give you the same choice the Japanese were faced with. Knowing, with the kind of faith that can only be borne of religion, that your children are about to be tortured, raped, and murdered the hands of an all-but-demonic host, do you bend over and take it or teach your children to fight so maybe they have a chance of dying with a little dignity instead.
Or maybe they could've accepted the terms of surrender and not suffer an invasion.
Anyway, I don't give a shit about the Japanese mind set. It doesn't change the fact that such an invasion would be a waste of lives and material.
by The Two Jerseys » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:08 pm
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by Sovaal » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:22 am
by Oil exporting People » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:47 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:In a world without nukes, WWII would have lasted into the late fifties and tens of millions of people would be dead on all sides. Japan would likely not survive, as most of its male line would be gone.
Look up Operation Downfall before you say we're better off without the atomic bomb.
by Escocaria » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:50 pm
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by Oil exporting People » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:13 am
Sovaal wrote:Damn it, wasn't there a time when nuclear war was only prevented because of one guy?
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by Costa Fierro » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:58 am
USS Monitor wrote:Also, I disagree with classifying chemical weapons as WMD rather than conventional weapons. All it does is make people flip their shit about chemical attacks, even when the attack does not do any more damage than a bombing raid. It's mostly used as a way for 1st world countries that use bombing raids on a regular basis to claim moral superiority over people that don't have the resources to maintain a modern air force.
by The Federation of Kendor » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:01 am
North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.
by A m e n r i a » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:06 am
by The Federation of Kendor » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:07 am
A m e n r i a wrote:I think it's okay to have WMDs, but only as last resort and it should be kept away from the wrong hands, such as the hands of NATO.
North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.
by A m e n r i a » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:10 am
by The Federation of Kendor » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 am
A m e n r i a wrote:Of course. I think WMD should only belong to the good guys like China and Saudi Arabia.
North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.
by A m e n r i a » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:54 am
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