Should WMD's exist, and do you support them?

[Len Hyet]

The analogy kinda gets stretched at that point.

Then why did you even make it in the first place?

Don't be deliberately obtuse. Any analogy gets stretched the further it goes from it's original point.

[Trollgaard]

The analogy kinda gets stretched at that point.

Then why did you even make it in the first place?

To clearly illustrate the thought process in resisting invasion, perhaps? Pretty apparent really.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

What's the point of bending over without giving it a fight for pride and honor's sake? Would you let someone just waltz into your home and not at least try and give them a bloody nose?

No, you would stand and fight, as its your home.

So obviously I should have my kids kill themselves trying to possibly kill a home invader.

It is the Emperor's will.

[Sovaal]

Then why did you even make it in the first place?

Don't be deliberately obtuse. Any analogy gets stretched the further it goes from it's original point.

Except I'm legitimately asking him as to why. My orginal point was that the Japanese where so proud that they trained their own children to kill themselves trying to kill Allied soldiers, and then he made the analogy about the home invasion.

Edit: Also, my post was in direct response to his analogy, is that enough to stretch it out?

[Sovaal]

Then why did you even make it in the first place?

To clearly illustrate the thought process in resisting invasion, perhaps? Pretty apparent really.

So then why is it ok to train children to kill themselves to try to possible kill invading soldiers but it's bad when done in a home invasion scenario?

[Len Hyet]

Don't be deliberately obtuse. Any analogy gets stretched the further it goes from it's original point.

Except I'm legitimately asking him as to why. My orginal point was that the Japanese where so proud that they trained their own children to kill themselves trying to kill Allied soldiers, and then he made the analogy about the home invasion.

It wasn't pride it was fear. Absolute terror. Primal instinctive mindless horror because the Japanese believed they were about to be treated as they had treated the peoples they had conquered. If the alternative to fighting to the death was your sons being tortured for fun, enslaved, murdered on a whim, and your daughters much the same only with a healthy dose of systematic organized rape for good measure then you can be damn sure that you'd teach your kids to fight like demons.

[Sovaal]

Except I'm legitimately asking him as to why. My orginal point was that the Japanese where so proud that they trained their own children to kill themselves trying to kill Allied soldiers, and then he made the analogy about the home invasion.

It wasn't pride it was fear. Absolute terror. Primal instinctive mindless horror because the Japanese believed they were about to be treated as they had treated the peoples they had conquered. If the alternative to fighting to the death was your sons being tortured for fun, enslaved, murdered on a whim, and your daughters much the same only with a healthy dose of systematic organized rape for good measure then you can be damn sure that you'd teach your kids to fight like demons.

I know as to why they did it, it still doesn't change the fact that it was worthless. And the Allies didn't do that.

[Len Hyet]

It wasn't pride it was fear. Absolute terror. Primal instinctive mindless horror because the Japanese believed they were about to be treated as they had treated the peoples they had conquered. If the alternative to fighting to the death was your sons being tortured for fun, enslaved, murdered on a whim, and your daughters much the same only with a healthy dose of systematic organized rape for good measure then you can be damn sure that you'd teach your kids to fight like demons.

I know as to why they did it, it still doesn't change the fact that it was worthless. And the Allies didn't do that.

Of course the Allies didn't do that but that's not the point. The point is that the Japanese believed with all their minds and souls that the absolute barbarism they had sown was about to be reaped.

So let me give you the same choice the Japanese were faced with. Knowing, with the kind of faith that can only be borne of religion, that your children are about to be tortured, raped, and murdered the hands of an all-but-demonic host, do you bend over and take it or teach your children to fight so maybe they have a chance of dying with a little dignity instead.

[Sovaal]

I know as to why they did it, it still doesn't change the fact that it was worthless. And the Allies didn't do that.

Of course the Allies didn't do that but that's not the point. The point is that the Japanese believed with all their minds and souls that the absolute barbarism they had sown was about to be reaped.

So let me give you the same choice the Japanese were faced with. Knowing, with the kind of faith that can only be borne of religion, that your children are about to be tortured, raped, and murdered the hands of an all-but-demonic host, do you bend over and take it or teach your children to fight so maybe they have a chance of dying with a little dignity instead.

Or maybe they could've accepted the terms of surrender and not suffer an invasion.

Anyway, I don't give a shit about the Japanese mind set. It doesn't change the fact that such an invasion would be a waste of lives and material.

[Trollgaard]

Of course the Allies didn't do that but that's not the point. The point is that the Japanese believed with all their minds and souls that the absolute barbarism they had sown was about to be reaped.

So let me give you the same choice the Japanese were faced with. Knowing, with the kind of faith that can only be borne of religion, that your children are about to be tortured, raped, and murdered the hands of an all-but-demonic host, do you bend over and take it or teach your children to fight so maybe they have a chance of dying with a little dignity instead.

Or maybe they could've accepted the terms of surrender and not suffer an invasion.

Anyway, I don't give a shit about the Japanese mind set. It doesn't change the fact that such an invasion would be a waste of lives and material.

For who? The allies, the japanese? Both?

[The Two Jerseys]

Should WMDs exist? No, they probably shouldn't.

But they do, and there are countries out there who aren't opposed to using them against us, so I 100% support having the ability to vaporize those countries in retaliation.

[Bombadil]

This idea that nuclear bombs have kept us safe is somewhat a black swan fallacy. Somewhat because when it was mainly US and Russia then it was a deterrent certainly but, even then, we came close to pulling the trigger. The more countries the more likely they will be used, it's practically inevitable, you can't point to the past and go 'well it's never happened before' to predict the future.

Yet that's all moot, there's no way all countries if any country will give them up once they have them, I don't personally support them, I'd rather near all weapons simply didn't exist, or people didn't feel the need for them but that's idealism too far.

[Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders]

No. Only good use is for fending off alien invasion.

[Sovaal]

Or maybe they could've accepted the terms of surrender and not suffer an invasion.

Anyway, I don't give a shit about the Japanese mind set. It doesn't change the fact that such an invasion would be a waste of lives and material.

For who? The allies, the japanese? Both?

Both.

[Oil exporting People]

In a world without nukes, WWII would have lasted into the late fifties and tens of millions of people would be dead on all sides. Japan would likely not survive, as most of its male line would be gone.

Look up Operation Downfall before you say we're better off without the atomic bomb.

In a world where Trinity failed, WWII ends in 1946 with the complete collapse of Japanese civilization as the majority of their civilian population would be in the midst of a catastrophic famine. Nukes did effectively speed up their surrender, thus saving millions of lives, but their coming defeat was a matter of months at that point regardless of what the U.S. atomic program did. Still, as I pointed out, nukes ironically enough saved Japan and thus are a good thing on that front alone.

[Escocaria]

In an idealistic world I would make sure that the world never had need for WMD's. Unfortunately, we don't live in such a world and they are needed although the nations of the world have gone overboard with them and have made more nuclear weapons than anti-nuclear weapons which is monumentally stupid in my opinion.

[Oil exporting People]

Damn it, wasn't there a time when nuclear war was only prevented because of one guy?

At least four times times that I'm aware of, and likely more.

[Alanis Star]

Even as a hardcore pacifist, I think that it should exist as a form of defense.

Even if Earth is united under one roof, and even if no humans are fighting each other, there's still a chance that aliens will mess us up.

[Costa Fierro]

Also, I disagree with classifying chemical weapons as WMD rather than conventional weapons. All it does is make people flip their shit about chemical attacks, even when the attack does not do any more damage than a bombing raid. It's mostly used as a way for 1st world countries that use bombing raids on a regular basis to claim moral superiority over people that don't have the resources to maintain a modern air force.

Chemical weapons are classified as a WMD because when effectively use against a defenseless civilian population, they can be devastating.

[The Federation of Kendor]

I think they should exist, as it's a product of a scientific advancement (though a sinister and non-peaceful one). They can also help in researches. However, I think we should never use them, especially nuclear weapons, because of their devastating and apocalyptic effects if used

[A m e n r i a]

I think it's okay to have WMDs, but only as last resort and it should be kept away from the wrong hands, such as the hands of NATO.

[The Federation of Kendor]

I think it's okay to have WMDs, but only as last resort and it should be kept away from the wrong hands, such as the hands of NATO.

So you view capitalism and NATO negatively

[A m e n r i a]

Of course. I think WMD should only belong to the good guys like China and Saudi Arabia.

[The Federation of Kendor]

Of course. I think WMD should only belong to the good guys like China and Saudi Arabia.

So you support both for being socialists and conservatives. Then how do you think about the discrimination of women on Saudi Arabia, or the Chinese persecution of Falun Gong (and no, the Falun Gong are not evil cultists like the Chinese claimed), and more bad things

[A m e n r i a]

What discrimination? How they're not allowed to drive? As for Falun Gong, how did you know they're not evil cultist? Many demon worshiping cults are hiding under the facade of different organisations nowadays. Btw, this is getting off-topic. Care to continue via telegram or out of forum chat (discord or something)?