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What is the Ether? The Ether is a uniquely semi-solid, semi-plasmodious substance which fills all space, even the volume also filled by ordinary matter or otherwise devoid of it. It is the medium through which various forces are transmitted through space just as air is the medium through which sound is transmitted to our ears. The all-permeating presence of the Etheric field rolls and churns like an ocean, ironically providing the order within our wider galaxy. Without the Ether, the forces of gravity would be unable to jump across the intervening vacuum of space and maintain the mutual attraction between celestial bodies. Magnetism and electricity could not be relayed as they are, and the light of the Sun could not travel to space to allow our own existence, to say nothing of much of our modern scientific advances. Ether is, in summery, the foundation of our entire understanding of the universe and the young protégée James Maxwell's discovery of Unified Etheric Theory the most monumental event in human history save the birth of Christ (Or the Revelation of the Prophet, for our Mohammedan colleges).

Though even the ancient philophers wrote of an intangible substance which propelled the plants through their orbits, it was only with the rise of our enlighted era and the final triumph of the wave theory of light over ancient particale theory; demonstrated by Thomas Young's famous 1815 refractal experiments proving light must have a wavelenght, that the idea of the Ether was put under proper scientific scrutiny. Within the civilized framework of His and Her Majesty's Empire, theoriest would make leaps and bounds, but it was only with the publishing of Maxwell's series of mathematical proofs as part of his undergraduate theius (Driven, somewhat sadly by a desire to one-up his class rival and become valivictorian of his Cambridge class to spite the idea of God after having abandoned Faith during his studies) that there was not a separate ether for each energy type but, rather, all electromagnetic and optical phenomena were explainable and perfectly quantifiable in terms of their stress on one mutual ether. Since that day in 1850, the great engine of Progress has driven us forward into this brave new world, and shows no sign of slowing down or stopping.

Where the old world was powered mostly by muscle, the new finds it's fuel in the endless seas; liquid or Etheric. Great boilers; be they fired with coal or the magnified radiance of the sun itself, shine the blessing of science out on the people. The power of steam and lighting have been chained by piping and wire, acting as both a comfort in the homes of the well-to-do of the rising cities and weapons on the battlefields of modern war alike. As the sea of ignorance releases, the masses of Europe grow both educated and more productive... and more dangerous, as the spirit of inquisitiveness cause some to question weather the roles and values of the pre-industrial elite are as obsolete as their technology. The works of Charles Darwin and Henry Huxley calling for a "survival of the fittest", taken up by the greedy and coldly logical alike lay siege to traditional Christian society on one side, the writing is the newly-emerging "socialists" and old Republicans alike from the other, even as the Empires of Europe have begun reaching out behond their own shore. Driven on by their boundless energy, they seek to spread the gifts of European civilization to the poorer peoples of this world... and others.

The first explorations of space have brought the full force of modern society on the formally untapped soils of our solar system. Though the first interplanetary flight by Thomas Edison and his experimental Ether Flyer was but a scant 20 years ago, the steaming swamps of storm-swept Venus provide just as much danger and lure as the jungles of the Dark Continent... and potentially even greater riches to exploit. On Mars, the native Martians cling to their canals and crumbling city-states, living in a savagy strongly comparable to pre-Pharonic Egypt at best and cliff-dwellers at worst, aching for the guiding hand of humanity to restore some semblance of a quality of life their ruins show they clearly once had just as much as their Nubian counterparts on earth. To say nothing of the potential of our own moon and the endless asteroids of the Great Belt.

Be glad the sun rises on the 1889th year of our Lord. May it never set on your Empire, since that will keep your solar boilers running eternally


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Greetings and Salutations, fellow RPers. I thought I'd offer up something a little more... unusual in terms of an alternate history thread. We've seen every kind of alternate series of event; Axis Victory, Centeral Power's Victory, Cold War Gone Hot, but let's dare to imagine a world where something more minute and yet so much bigger changed.

What if the concept of the Ether was real, and brought out during the Victorian era? And what if we could harness it?

My apologies if this initial posting is a little light. It's designed as more of an introduction, with the history subject to a bit more flexablity as I try to write up an exact timeline of events. Suffice to say, it would have a POD in 1820, with a heavy focus on colonization, "Great Game" style politics with at least some respect for the Concert of Europe/Balance of Power ideal, and involve creative and unique technology. If you have any suggestions, critiques, or just want to express interest, feel free to respond.
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Just want to give a small bump to insure this is seen, considering the time I posted it last night.
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One last check for potential interest/help in world building? I'd be greatful for a Co-OP to help me flesh out the world/timeline.
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New Granadeseret wrote:One last check for potential interest/help in world building? I'd be greatful for a Co-OP to help me flesh out the world/timeline.

How do you want the world to look? I would gladly write about this.
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Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
New Granadeseret wrote:One last check for potential interest/help in world building? I'd be greatful for a Co-OP to help me flesh out the world/timeline.

How do you want the world to look? I would gladly write about this.


Thank you so much! I'm trying to get my feet wet in writing again, and having some help in getting a quality timeline put together would help this thread so much.


I'm going for a very Late Victorian age feel; a brave new world of constant exploration and innovation in both society and technology. Think in terms of Jules Vernes and the adventerious spirit of his novels combined with the looming threat/titilating excitement of mid-century social conflicts on a grander scale. Science has basically been unbound, literacy and mass media are just coming into existence, New Imperialism is seen as a glorious good and questioning "progress", and the big business and colonial, economic, and proxy warfare that comes with it more prominent and the middle class coming into its own.

Not a steampunk setting, per say: electricity and magnetism are just a prevalent as steam power, and even steam is in large part provided by giant solar boilers rather than dirty smog-spewing smokestacks. The brass is polished, the imagination of the people captured by the opportunities and riches of space travel and the colonization of wild and exotic places, and there's more opptimisim and self-assurance in general. As for the specifics of the history, that's flexible depending on what nation's are going to be the "Great Powers" and if people want to play alternative nations. There are a few basic elements that aren't negotiable through.

-One nation, likely Great Britain , will still be the keeper of a Pax (insert Latin name here) and the first among equals. Maybe not as overwhelmingly dominant as it was IRL, but still the defining cultural voice of the era
-The number of other "Great Powers" (Mostly European) would be limited to three or four, creating a reasonable balance of power, and they alone would have trans-Terran influence.
-The world is still generally dominated by Europe and classical aristocratic European values, though they're starting to lose their exclusive membership to the "Big Boy's" club.
-The 2nd Age of Imperialism is just kicking off. India is still colonized, but otherwise Africa and Asia are still in the cards, and the nations of South America aren't above getting kicked around unless they have a patron to protect them.
-Groups like the First Nations/Native Americans, centeral American and Siberian Khanates, Samuri or other "traditional" classes in otherwise modernizing socociety are just making their final stands. The Wild West and other traditional frontiers are still alive... but just barely, and are more sparing grounds for the Imperial powers than anything else.

-In terms of Trans-Terrian positions, Mercury has one hemisphere is a perpetual boiling desert of magma, sand, and glass and the other a polar icecap with a thin band of perpetual and somewhat tolerable twilight in the middle. Very rich in minerals but next to impossible to settle and without any native life.

-Venus is essentially a giant greenhouse under its constant and heavy cloud cover: resembling in many ways earth during the Mesozoic era (A classical pulp fiction "Lost Valley" scenario"). The plant is one climate zone of near constant rainfall and sweltering heat, making fresh water plentiful and dry ground unheard of outside the mountains: jungles, swamps, large lakes, a lot of shallow water features that are constantly steaming off and coming back down. There is quite a bit of domestic life; mostl plant, but also dinosaurs (duh) and semi-intelligent bipedal lizards who remain stuck in the Stone Age due to their inablity to find enough metal that will resist rusting long enough to ever develop past it.

-Mars contains the remnants of ancient Martian civilization stretched out along massive, ancient canal systems built by their once-great ancestors to deal with the spasms in the Martian climate. The exact opposite of Venus, it almost never rains on mars since their fresh water had long since been frozen in glaciers at the poles or locked away as iron oxide on its ancient sea beds. The Martians depend on the seasonal meltwaters and directing enough of it through their canals to store the drinking water and provide them with their limited growing season. Along the Canals, which provide the main routes of trade and their only strips of ariable land, you have city-states (largely built in the gigantic ruins of a clearly once greater culture) who compete against one another for control of the stretches. In between the greater canals, you also have nomads who travel the more broken-down or smaller systems. Think Ancient Egypt if the Nile just stopped coming or any other great River Vally civilizations near their collapse. However, they have more advanced tech and deal with colonial powers. And they have access to a unique type of wood called liftwood which acts perculerly with the ether, allowing it to effectively "float" in any space as the Ether presses up against it in one direction.

-The Astroid Belt is the limit of the range of current technology: since spacecraft have to use solar boiler, at a certain distance from the sun their mirrors can't concentrate light enough to boil the water, and batteries aren't efficient enough yet to store the power needed to run a spaceship. As of yet no expedition has actually gone out that far, and there are questions as to weather habitable planetoids might exist among the rocky rubble. Any such discovery would certainly be a huge prestige boost for the nation and explorer in question.
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So. Steampunk mixed with interplanetary colonization mixed with Victorian Europe?

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This sound like a clusterfuck of European imperialism taken up too much. White's man burden stretch across the black (dark) universe? :P

Either way, count me in.
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New Granadeseret wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:How do you want the world to look? I would gladly write about this.


Thank you so much! I'm trying to get my feet wet in writing again, and having some help in getting a quality timeline put together would help this thread so much.


I'm going for a very Late Victorian age feel; a brave new world of constant exploration and innovation in both society and technology. Think in terms of Jules Vernes and the adventerious spirit of his novels combined with the looming threat/titilating excitement of mid-century social conflicts on a grander scale. Science has basically been unbound, literacy and mass media are just coming into existence, New Imperialism is seen as a glorious good and questioning "progress", and the big business and colonial, economic, and proxy warfare that comes with it more prominent and the middle class coming into its own.

Not a steampunk setting, per say: electricity and magnetism are just a prevalent as steam power, and even steam is in large part provided by giant solar boilers rather than dirty smog-spewing smokestacks. The brass is polished, the imagination of the people captured by the opportunities and riches of space travel and the colonization of wild and exotic places, and there's more opptimisim and self-assurance in general. As for the specifics of the history, that's flexible depending on what nation's are going to be the "Great Powers" and if people want to play alternative nations. There are a few basic elements that aren't negotiable through.

-One nation, likely Great Britain , will still be the keeper of a Pax (insert Latin name here) and the first among equals. Maybe not as overwhelmingly dominant as it was IRL, but still the defining cultural voice of the era
-The number of other "Great Powers" (Mostly European) would be limited to three or four, creating a reasonable balance of power, and they alone would have trans-Terran influence.
-The world is still generally dominated by Europe and classical aristocratic European values, though they're starting to lose their exclusive membership to the "Big Boy's" club.
-The 2nd Age of Imperialism is just kicking off. India is still colonized, but otherwise Africa and Asia are still in the cards, and the nations of South America aren't above getting kicked around unless they have a patron to protect them.
-Groups like the First Nations/Native Americans, centeral American and Siberian Khanates, Samuri or other "traditional" classes in otherwise modernizing socociety are just making their final stands. The Wild West and other traditional frontiers are still alive... but just barely, and are more sparing grounds for the Imperial powers than anything else.

-In terms of Trans-Terrian positions, Mercury has one hemisphere is a perpetual boiling desert of magma, sand, and glass and the other a polar icecap with a thin band of perpetual and somewhat tolerable twilight in the middle. Very rich in minerals but next to impossible to settle and without any native life.

-Venus is essentially a giant greenhouse under its constant and heavy cloud cover: resembling in many ways earth during the Mesozoic era (A classical pulp fiction "Lost Valley" scenario"). The plant is one climate zone of near constant rainfall and sweltering heat, making fresh water plentiful and dry ground unheard of outside the mountains: jungles, swamps, large lakes, a lot of shallow water features that are constantly steaming off and coming back down. There is quite a bit of domestic life; mostl plant, but also dinosaurs (duh) and semi-intelligent bipedal lizards who remain stuck in the Stone Age due to their inablity to find enough metal that will resist rusting long enough to ever develop past it.

-Mars contains the remnants of ancient Martian civilization stretched out along massive, ancient canal systems built by their once-great ancestors to deal with the spasms in the Martian climate. The exact opposite of Venus, it almost never rains on mars since their fresh water had long since been frozen in glaciers at the poles or locked away as iron oxide on its ancient sea beds. The Martians depend on the seasonal meltwaters and directing enough of it through their canals to store the drinking water and provide them with their limited growing season. Along the Canals, which provide the main routes of trade and their only strips of ariable land, you have city-states (largely built in the gigantic ruins of a clearly once greater culture) who compete against one another for control of the stretches. In between the greater canals, you also have nomads who travel the more broken-down or smaller systems. Think Ancient Egypt if the Nile just stopped coming or any other great River Vally civilizations near their collapse. However, they have more advanced tech and deal with colonial powers. And they have access to a unique type of wood called liftwood which acts perculerly with the ether, allowing it to effectively "float" in any space as the Ether presses up against it in one direction.

-The Astroid Belt is the limit of the range of current technology: since spacecraft have to use solar boiler, at a certain distance from the sun their mirrors can't concentrate light enough to boil the water, and batteries aren't efficient enough yet to store the power needed to run a spaceship. As of yet no expedition has actually gone out that far, and there are questions as to weather habitable planetoids might exist among the rocky rubble. Any such discovery would certainly be a huge prestige boost for the nation and explorer in question.

Ah, yes, looks pretty good! I'm very willing to help with all of this. Now, how much of a time line would you want to have up? How much detail? Because I can give both a very detailed history of the world, or a very general overview of it all. Whatever you want.
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What's the status of the moon, OP? Is it covered with colonial claim patchwork like Africa, or something else entirely? (Like neutral first pit-stop for all that interplanetary machinations, for example). Also will we be playing as nations, or character?
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Postby Aidannadia » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:31 am

Interesting. I think England being the main power at the moment makes the most sense, given the OP's name was James Maxwell, who developed the Ether theory; They're Anglo in the least.

Additonally, considering the time period, I think other great powers would include France, Prussia, (Insert weird divergence here for fun or go with something boring and realistic like the Dutch or something) and an industrializing USA (Thomas Edison was the first inventor of the Ether drive.)
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Aidannadia wrote:Interesting. I think England being the main power at the moment makes the most sense, given the OP's name was James Maxwell, who developed the Ether theory; They're Anglo in the least.

Additonally, considering the time period, I think other great powers would include France, Prussia, (Insert weird divergence here for fun or go with something boring and realistic like the Dutch or something) and an industrializing USA (Thomas Edison was the first inventor of the Ether drive.)

Japan may be have to be on that roster, and maybe Belgium too? I can see both Netherland and Belgium playing part considering their huge colonial empire OTL.
Kiev, throught the eons of history, has endured everything the world has to bring it down. From the heathen mongol and their barbarity, Polish-Lithuanian and its Catholic feudalism and oppression, Russian empire, Nazi Germany, and even the Godless Soviet. But today, Kiev still prove itself to the world that it would stand forever! As the city of the Rus, Holy land of Orthodox Christianity, and bastion of Democracy in the Eastern Europe.
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Postby Plzen » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:22 am

Aidannadia wrote:Interesting. I think England being the main power at the moment makes the most sense, given the OP's name was James Maxwell, who developed the Ether theory; They're Anglo in the least.

Additonally, considering the time period, I think other great powers would include France, Prussia, (Insert weird divergence here for fun or go with something boring and realistic like the Dutch or something) and an industrializing USA (Thomas Edison was the first inventor of the Ether drive.)

At 1889? In terms of Europe, I think some combination of Britain, Russia, Prussia, France, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden-Norway, and Belgium would round the list of potential great and secondary powers, depending on how the alternate history flows.

Outside of Europe, the United States and Japan are obvious picks. Don't know about any others, though. Maybe some of the particularly large Latin American states?
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Aidannadia wrote:Interesting. I think England being the main power at the moment makes the most sense, given the OP's name was James Maxwell, who developed the Ether theory; They're Anglo in the least.

Additonally, considering the time period, I think other great powers would include France, Prussia, (Insert weird divergence here for fun or go with something boring and realistic like the Dutch or something) and an industrializing USA (Thomas Edison was the first inventor of the Ether drive.)

At 1889? In terms of Europe, I think some combination of Britain, Russia, Prussia, France, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden-Norway, and Belgium would round the list of potential great and secondary powers, depending on how the alternate history flows.

Outside of Europe, the United States and Japan are obvious picks. Don't know about any others, though. Maybe some of the particularly large Latin American states?

I don't know about Russia, drawing parallel with OTL, I do think that situation for any space colonial venture would be like on the same situation with Alaska, with Russian navy (or maybe space-navy?) cannot hope to match its rivals and will be on precarious position where St.Petersburg cannot save them if they are ever invaded.

Also come on, Russia is bigger than Pluto already. Earth plenty big y'know, especially if you control almost entirety of Northern Eurasia :P

Ottoman Empire and Austria Hungary is...yeaaah, they wouldn't be able to. Italy may be especially hungry for space colonies though, why limit yourself controlling Mediterranean and North Africa when entire space can be your pool AND be Space Romans at the same time?
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Postby Plzen » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:48 am

Kievan Rus Republic wrote:-snip-

A navy and a space patrol are very different things indeed.

In fact, countries that don't have much of a coastline but do have plenty of industry, like Austria-Hungary, might jump at space as a chance to finally have some colonies.
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Kievan Rus Republic wrote:-snip-

A navy and a space patrol are very different things indeed.

In fact, countries that don't have much of a coastline but do have plenty of industry, like Austria-Hungary, might jump at space as a chance to finally have some colonies.

Well, yeah, but I don't think Russia is just there yet. Their industrialization were just starting, and even if they are on data capable of venturing to space. the fact that significant portion of Russian industry is foreign and mostly from the west,...well I don't think foreign industrialist prefer to build colonial venture for a backward country than riding on already established infrastructure on their own.

You do raise good point though. An Austria-Hungarian Space Port in Bohemia perhaps? The fact that Hapsburg can extend the reach of their aristocratic regime to space does sound interesting.
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Postby Danceria » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:00 am

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Plzen wrote:A navy and a space patrol are very different things indeed.

In fact, countries that don't have much of a coastline but do have plenty of industry, like Austria-Hungary, might jump at space as a chance to finally have some colonies.

Well, yeah, but I don't think Russia is just there yet. Their industrialization were just starting, and even if they are on data capable of venturing to space. the fact that significant portion of Russian industry is foreign and mostly from the west,...well I don't think foreign industrialist prefer to build colonial venture for a backward country than riding on already established infrastructure on their own.

You do raise good point though. An Austria-Hungarian Space Port in Bohemia perhaps? The fact that Hapsburg can extend the reach of their aristocratic regime to space does sound interesting.

They could banish those pesky ethnicity to spehss.
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Postby Kievan Rus Republic » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:01 am

Danceria wrote:
Kievan Rus Republic wrote:Well, yeah, but I don't think Russia is just there yet. Their industrialization were just starting, and even if they are on data capable of venturing to space. the fact that significant portion of Russian industry is foreign and mostly from the west,...well I don't think foreign industrialist prefer to build colonial venture for a backward country than riding on already established infrastructure on their own.

You do raise good point though. An Austria-Hungarian Space Port in Bohemia perhaps? The fact that Hapsburg can extend the reach of their aristocratic regime to space does sound interesting.

They could banish those pesky ethnicity to spehss.

Polan can into space! Though as an exile :(
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