Kvatchdom wrote:Galloism wrote:
So do we - but it's always a range so the judge can adjust based on circumstances. I'd be surprised if Finland wasn't similar.
I would love to, but feminism, as a movement, controls the dialogue surrounding DV in my country and is clinging to it like glue.
Ellen Pence also promotes the false narrative that women are almost always violent only in self defense or in reaction to previous violence.
Questionable. Women live in constant fear at night, apparently. There might be men out after dark.
If it were widely accepted it would be widely stated, but you couldn't find one example.
Given women's issues are given much much more time than men's issues, I call bullshit.
It has everything to do with feminism when feminism, as a movement, constantly works to reinforce the violent man/innocent woman gender dynamic.
Ranges from 1st to 5th degree and intentionality.
How does it control it? It's certainly not in power anywhere.
You clearly aren't paying attention. When it comes to DV and rape research, feminism is in power everywhere in the west. Observe:
Galloism wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:I selectively edit posts and respond to portions when I feel I have something to say.
I'm not activist, so I really don't have anything to say on the other front.
I disagree that "feminism" is holding back issues such as men's domestic violence, male victim rape and the like, because feminism wants to eliminate harmful gender roles such as "toxic masculinity" - with that specifically covering, amongst other things "what? Men can't get beat up by women. Grow a pair." and "what do you mean you were raped, you got laid, fuck off fag".
Does a small minority of radical feminists (who aren't well-liked at all in wider feminism), some of which may be motivated by a hatred of men pretty equivalent to that of legit misogynists, actively try and torpedo things like men's violence shelters?
Yes, those people are worthless trash. They are, as vocal hardcore subsets usually are, loud and disruptive and not representative.
Here's the thing, if they are a small minority, why are they so in control of the policy and the narrative?
They've spent almost 40 years torpedoing the truth about the prevalence of domestic violence, with great success, using tactics ranging from career threats to actual bomb threats.
In addition, when men attempt to contact help lines or DV shelters, which are mainly run by feminist groups, they are routinely accused of being the batterer in disguise, given contact info for a batterer's program, and/or openly mocked by the staff.
Feminists have fought against gender neutral rape laws, in both Israel and India.
Those are mainstream positions now.
However, they weren't always. In the United States, it used to be that only radical feminists opposed making statutory rape laws gender neutral, protecting the right of grown women to fuck little boys.
It was probably largely thanks to Mary Koss's efforts that the CDC used the a sexist definition of rape attempting to downplay male victims. She is, after all, on the CDC think tank, and her view is men can't be raped by women.
Look, if it's a "small minority group" leading this crusade, feminsim has let the lunatics run the asylum. This "small minority" has been blocking progress for FORTY YEARS. It's not me playing it up - it's the actual and real victims they've been oppressing and violent perpetrators they've been protecting.
Look, I know you want to think the best of the feminist movement, and I'm not saying it's irredeemable, but the only way it can BE redeemed is if you push back against these sexist radical feminists and get loud and in charge screaming "THESE PEOPLE DON'T REPRESENT US", and get the movement on track to seek equality again.
The evidence is overwhelming. Your belief that it isn't there doesn't line up. Until you recognize the problem, you will never fix it.Because there is some bizarre pushback over women thinking "in these areas, I think we don't enjoy the same things men do here", I believe there is a significant bias from anti-feminist outlets to play up these groups and project some image that this is all the feminist movement is.
Does it not surprise you that after all these years people still seriously bring up that legitimately one really angry red-haired woman for "look how trash all of feminism is"?
I'm looking at what feminism has done as a movement, not what one loudmouth does.
That's bullshit, that's like saying men do it as a reaction to women being "bitches" like some MRAs word it.
Yes, it is bullshit. It's also a mainstream feminist position, at least among academics and those who control the domestic violence research and significantly influence government policy on the subject.
Some probably do in lower class areas. There's areas in Finland I'd get beat up too. It's not a fantasy.
Here's the thing: if you're a man, you're significantly more likely to be a victim of violent crime than a similarly situated woman. Yet we are surrounded constantly with the narrative of ending violence against women (which isn't a bad goal in of itself, except that it's like a narrative that we need to end racism against white people). Yet, it's the most protected class that needs to be in constant fear, and feminism stokes this overblown fear (or, as IR would say, irrational).
I found wiki sites and a few discussions on reddit. The word isn't really used, but the concept is widely known. It's the same as toxic masculinity, but for women. Not that radical of an idea.
Except you can't find a single advocacy group or political body ever using the term. Not ever. I mean, I made it really easy for you - one example. You can't cite one. If it's a widely known concept, why does no one seemingly use it?
Trafficking, catcalling, stalking, rapist conviction rates, etc. These aren't really discussed that much in powerful areas,
These are discussed constantly in powerful areas.
and neither are male suicides, prison rape, incarceration rates, alcoholism etc. Both genders still face extreme problems that need to all be addressed and discussed by powerful people.
Here's a funny thing about male suicide. One british MP decided to try and bring it up for discussion on international men's day.
He was mocked in public for it by another member of parliament - an openly avowedly feminist member of parliament.