by Tokora » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:19 am
by Dooom35796821595 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:22 am
by Alekseandrea » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:12 am
Tokora wrote:The Chinese do everything in their power (even at their own expense to subservient levels) to prop up and appease the rogue state of North Korea which not only enslaves it's own citizens for merely having the wrong blood, but also threatens nuclear attack on its neighbors South Korea and Japan.
The worse part is that the American right, despite paying lip-service to our other allies, actively encourages China's behavior in secret because of their single-minded obsession with the Chinese market that they get in return for supporting China's ruling party
(I refuse to call them Communist).
What can be done to help the nations in the region repel Chinese/ Korean aggression that won't require a regime change in Beijing that will never happen? The only thing I can think of is using extreme brinkmanship in the region but not even that would happen because the left (I support many of their policies but sometimes I question their judgement, this time included) thinks China can be negotiated with despite their constant refusal to respect international law and the right despite their sabre-rattling will never do anything to risk their lucrative trade agreements.
Despite America's apathy, is there any way China can be pushed back and North Korea isolated?
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by TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:15 am
Tokora wrote:Despite America's apathy, is there any way China can be pushed back and North Korea isolated?
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by The United Providences of Perland » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:34 am
by Vermont of America » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:33 pm
by USS Monitor » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:58 pm
by NeoOasis » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:02 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Tokora wrote:Despite America's apathy, is there any way China can be pushed back and North Korea isolated?
There is only one way to end the Chinese menace, but it would be extremely painful. If we embargo their cheap crap, they will collapse immediately, because their economy is primarily export-driven.
The problem is obvious: pretty much no more cheap crap. If you think China is that big a threat, are you willing to sacrifice everything of value to pay out the nose for everything?
by Cetacea » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:04 pm
by Bordurian Islands » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:14 pm
by Bordurian Islands » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:19 pm
by NERVUN » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:22 pm
by Kennlind » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:25 pm
by Sovaal » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:27 pm
by USS Monitor » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:43 pm
Kennlind wrote:Chinese expansion is not an issue. American Imperialism is. How about we focus on stopping the imperialist capitalist aggressor that violates the sovereignty of more countries than you could count? Terrorist America is invading Syria right now and nobody cares. Everybody cares when Russia moves in to protect oppressed minorities in Ukraine, and when China makes strategic moves to become stronger and provide a better future for her people.
by Sovaal » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 pm
USS Monitor wrote:Kennlind wrote:Chinese expansion is not an issue. American Imperialism is. How about we focus on stopping the imperialist capitalist aggressor that violates the sovereignty of more countries than you could count? Terrorist America is invading Syria right now and nobody cares. Everybody cares when Russia moves in to protect oppressed minorities in Ukraine, and when China makes strategic moves to become stronger and provide a better future for her people.
Cut the double standards, dude. China isn't nasty enough to be worth picking a fight with, but they are pushy and obnoxious in regional politics. "Strategic moves to become stronger and provide a better future for her people" is basically a nicer way of saying "imperialism."
Sure, the US does similar crap, but there can be more than one country being an asshole on the international stage at the same time.
by Rio Cana » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:00 pm
Still, Chinese Ambassador Zhao Jianhua admits that China’s investments to the Philippines may not be considered satisfactory. He acknowledged that the Philippines has more investments in China than China has in the Philippines
The $24-billion investment and credit line pledges that the Philippine government secured from China earlier this week were a display of “greater confidence” in the future economic relationship of the two countries, according to Trade Secretary Ramon Lopez.
MANILA, Philippines - Chinese investors have began lining up to invest in the country, with new projects worth at least $10 billion expected to be infused amid improved economic ties between the Philippines and China.
Chinese investments in other ASEAN countries like Vietnam, which has already received over $18 billion
by UniversalCommons » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:02 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:22 pm
by Sovaal » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:00 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Is it a bad thing though?
East Asia needs firm leadership. Under the Chinese, East Asia could become more powerful than any other region in the world.
by Rio Cana » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:04 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Is it a bad thing though?
East Asia needs firm leadership. Under the Chinese, East Asia could become more powerful than any other region in the world.
"It is not viable that we continue to have a trade and economic relationship linked to a single country such as the United States, where 85% of our exports end up," he says.
by Feari Teikoku » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:12 pm
by Tuthina » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:17 pm
Sovaal wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Is it a bad thing though?
East Asia needs firm leadership. Under the Chinese, East Asia could become more powerful than any other region in the world.
I'd rather a country that actually gives a crap abut human rights be at the forefront of east Asia.
So that's about the majority of the countries in the area disqualified.
Feari Teikoku wrote:If you look at Asia's history - for virtually all of its time China has always been the dominant power in the region. From the Xia and the Shang to the Ming and the Qing China was the dominant power in East Asia. In fact the years of the People's Republic of China were the exception not the rule when it lost its power in the region.
If you will look at history, it's more of a "back to normal" time to China, a throwback to its tributary system across all of East and Southeast Asia.
And then wait more decades and a century more bet your money on these, China will break again into separate states like it always does.
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
by Feari Teikoku » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:20 pm
Tuthina wrote:
It would be quite a stretch to call any dynasty before Tang to be a dominant power in East Asia as a whole, with the possible exception of Han.
by Tuthina » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:23 pm
14:54:02 <Lykens> Explain your definition of Reno.
11:47 <Swilatia> Good god, copy+paste is no way to build a country!
03:08 <Democratic Koyro> NSG senate is a glaring example of why no one in NSG should ever have a position of authority
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