Mississippi can enforce LGBT religious objections law: court

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

In short: you're allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual preference if your religion allows for that.

Laws should be above religious text. Of course, people should not be forced to act against strict tenants of their religion, but if a religion clashes with a safe, democratic and just society, then society takes precedent. Anti-discrimination takes precedent over religious beliefs. This law pretends otherwise, and should be turned down on that merit. If the US Constitution can be superseded by the Bible, the Torah and the Koran, then religion is above the law, and that cannot possibly be the case. Theologian debates should be kept outside the courthouse as much as possible.

[Vassenor]

So much for "shall pass no law respecting the establishment of any religion".

[Washington Resistance Army]

So much for "shall pass no law respecting the establishment of any religion".

We already went over this in another thread a few weeks ago, things like this (at least for private citizens and businesses) don't violate the 1A.

[Donut section]

Government employees no.
Civilians yeah sure.

[The Seryyiok Empire]

This isn't surprising from a dark aged, fundamentalist wacko province of the United States known as Mississippi.

[Baalkistann]

So much for "shall pass no law respecting the establishment of any religion".

Kinda looks that way.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So much for "shall pass no law respecting the establishment of any religion".

We already went over this in another thread a few weeks ago, things like this don't violate the 1A.

Even if it doesn't, it violates the 14th Amendment.

Oh, and this law is, at least in spirit, in violation of the 1st Amendment.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So much for "shall pass no law respecting the establishment of any religion".

TBF, homophobia is not strictly religious.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This isn't surprising from a dark aged, fundamentalist wacko province of the United States known as Mississippi.

I'm glad my aunt lives there.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We already went over this in another thread a few weeks ago, things like this don't violate the 1A.

Even if it doesn't, it violates the 14th Amendment.

Oh, and this law is, at least in spirit, in violation of the 1st Amendment.

You can certainly make an argument for the 14A, and I imagine this won't last all that long because of that.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Government employees no.
Civilians yeah sure.

Civilians yeah no. A government's responsibility to protect against injustice does not end with its own actions.

[Kazarogkai]

Kinda regretting not allowing them to succeed quite honestly, the rest of us would be far better off in my opinion Heck maybe by now we would have single payer healthcare. Sure black people would be screwed but we would live.... I guess...

[Major-Tom]

It's Mississippi. No surprises there.

[Community Values]

I can understand the right to refuse services when you are a private business owner (even though I don't really support it), but not the government's. Is this basically saying that the DMV can refuse to give you a license because you seem gay to them?

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

I can understand the right to refuse services when you are a private business owner (even though I don't really support it), but not the government's. Is this basically saying that the DMV can refuse to give you a license because you seem gay to them?

The DMV is government owned, so I would say no, its more like Walmart saying "Go away" and they only hurt themselves, and more competitors enter the market

[Washington Resistance Army]

I can understand the right to refuse services when you are a private business owner (even though I don't really support it), but not the government's. Is this basically saying that the DMV can refuse to give you a license because you seem gay to them?

Tbqh the DMV telling you to go away and not having to deal with their shit is hardly a bad thing

[Aelex]

Good for them if that's what they want.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Even if it doesn't, it violates the 14th Amendment.

Oh, and this law is, at least in spirit, in violation of the 1st Amendment.

You can certainly make an argument for the 14A, and I imagine this won't last all that long because of that.

Yeah, now you mention it... 1A does not really deal with laws based on religion. It just deals with laws against certain religions. For laws in favour of a certain religion, 14A would be more appropriate.

[Khasinkonia]

This isn't surprising from a dark aged, fundamentalist wacko province of the United States known as Mississippi.

As my history teacher once said: Mississippi exists purely to keep Louisiana from being the worst at everything. At least my home state has some opposition to ridiculousness like this.
Ah well, they'll eventually be dragged into the 21st century, even if it isn't until 3017, because, eventually, some people from the more socially liberal parts of society will decide they think Mississippi is cool because it's folksy. Then their corruption redemption will be complete.

[Aelex]

Government employees no.
Civilians yeah sure.

Civilians yeah no. A government's responsibility to protect against injustice does not end with its own actions.

Which is precisely why the government shouldn't force people into doing things they refuse to for no other reason than ideological ones because it would then just be creating more injustice.

[Serrus]

In short: you're allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual preference if your religion allows for that.

Laws should be above religious text. Of course, people should not be forced to act against strict tenants of their religion, but if a religion clashes with a safe, democratic and just society, then society takes precedent. Anti-discrimination takes precedent over religious beliefs. This law pretends otherwise, and should be turned down on that merit. If the US Constitution can be superseded by the Bible, the Torah and the Koran, then religion is above the law, and that cannot possibly be the case. Theologian debates should be kept outside the courthouse as much as possible.

Yes, very much so. LGBTQ+* should not be discriminated against because of religion or anything, even...

*adds Missisippi to the list of Places I'm Not Visiting Any Time Soon*

[Vassenor]

Civilians yeah no. A government's responsibility to protect against injustice does not end with its own actions.

Which is precisely why the government shouldn't force people into doing things they refuse to for no other reason than ideological ones because it would then just be creating more injustice.

Unless they're Muslims.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

You can certainly make an argument for the 14A, and I imagine this won't last all that long because of that.

Yeah, now you mention it... 1A does not really deal with laws based on religion. It just deals with laws against certain religions. For laws in favour of a certain religion, 14A would be more appropriate.

the 1A its a grey area when it comes to this because either way you could be infringing on freedom of religion or freedom, so the 14A will be a better argument to stop it when people get fed up.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Civilians yeah no. A government's responsibility to protect against injustice does not end with its own actions.

Which is precisely why the government shouldn't force people into doing things they refuse to for no other reason than ideological ones because it would then just be creating more injustice.

Discrimination is one of the worst injustices imaginable. Discrimination and a liberal democracy are mutually exclusive. A state that allows discrimination, on any ground, is a step further away from being a proper liberal democracy. This is not merely about ideology, this is about securing a safe and just society for all. We force people to do things all the time. Don't commit murders, don't run a red light, pay your taxes, don't yell fire in a crowded theatre, and don't discriminate against people for whatever reason.

[Sovaal]

Kinda regretting not allowing them to succeed quite honestly, the rest of us would be far better off in my opinion Heck maybe by now we would have single payer healthcare. Sure black people would be screwed but we would live.... I guess...

*Secede

Also, there are a lot of red states that where with the Union.