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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:18 am

Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

“We believe that these subjects are beyond their [students] comprehension,” said Durmuş in a video published on the education ministry’s website.

Durmuş said a chapter on evolution was being removed from ninth grade biology course books, and the subject postponed to the undergraduate period. Another change to the curriculum may reduce the amount of time that students spend studying the legacy of secularism.

Critics of the government believe public life is being increasingly stripped of the secular traditions instilled by the nation’s founder, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

The secular opposition has long argued that the government of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is pursuing a covert Islamist agenda contrary to the republic’s founding values. Education is a particularly contentious avenue, because of its potential in shaping future generations. Small-scale protests by parents in local schools have opposed the way religion is taught.

There is little acceptance of evolution as a concept among mainstream Muslim clerics in the Middle East, who believe it contradicts the story of creation in scripture, in which God breathed life into the first man, Adam, after shaping him from clay. Still, evolution is briefly taught in many high school biology courses in the region.

The final changes to the curriculum are likely to be announced next week after the Muslim Eid or Bayram festival at the end of the fasting month of Ramadan. The draft changes had been put forth for public consultation at the beginning of the year.

The subject of evolution in particular stirred debate earlier this year after Numan Kurtulmuş, the deputy prime minister, described the process as a theory that was both archaic and lacking sufficient evidence.

Reports in Turkish media in recent weeks, based on apparent leaks of school board meetings, have also predicted a diminished role in the curriculum for the study of Atatürk, and an increase in the hours devoted to studying religion. Durmuş said that a greater emphasis would be placed on the contributions of Muslim and Turkish scientists and history classes would move away from a “Euro-centric” approach.

The changes were based on a broad public consultation in which parents and the public played a key role, he said.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... icial-says

Yeah, all this evilution mumbo-jumbo is really way too confusing and unnecessary. Who needs it anyway? Mr Garrison doesn't....
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...and neither does the Turkish nation.

And so, Turkey's long, deplorable path back to the Middle Ages continues.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:20 am

Let's see which country can go backwards the fastest.
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Postby Benjabobaria » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:23 am

Surprise, surprise. Erdogan is nothing but bad for Turkey.
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:40 am

And here I was thinking it's just Americans who don't believe in evolution...
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Postby Springstile » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:47 am

Ah, I suppose I can now apply in Turkey to become a Professor of "Brain-from-Body Seperatism."
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:47 am

So in effect, Turkey has decided to stop teaching the basis of all modern biology. I imagine that somewhere down the line, Turkey is going to suffer from the decision to essentially cultivate a culture of ignorance amongst the next generation. Next they'll start teaching students that the sun revolves around the Earth.
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Postby Sleet Clans » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:49 am

I knew Turkey was going down the drain, but this takes the cake

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Postby Alvecia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:57 am

Urgh, that's annoying.
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Postby Minoa » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:06 am

I have a pessimistic feeling that once a country like Turkey loses democracy, it will be nearly impossible to turn back without foreign intervention, and if we leave it long enough, getting Turkey out of the dictatorial darkness will be nigh impossible.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:08 am

From the article..

The subject of evolution in particular stirred debate earlier this year after Numan Kurtulmuş, the deputy prime minister, described the process as a theory that was both archaic and lacking sufficient evidence.

Bolded for maximum irony..
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:11 am

Bombadil wrote:From the article..

The subject of evolution in particular stirred debate earlier this year after Numan Kurtulmuş, the deputy prime minister, described the process as a theory that was both archaic and lacking sufficient evidence.

Bolded for maximum irony..

All I heard was "We reject your western imperialist reality and substitute our own halal one."

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:11 am

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:And here I was thinking it's just Americans who don't believe in evolution...

Really?
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:13 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bombadil wrote:From the article..

The subject of evolution in particular stirred debate earlier this year after Numan Kurtulmuş, the deputy prime minister, described the process as a theory that was both archaic and lacking sufficient evidence.

Bolded for maximum irony..

All I heard was "We reject your western imperialist reality and substitute our own halal one."


Really.. I heard 'this whole science thing creates doubt in the minds of the faithful' and I hear it everywhere.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:16 am

The Turkish government clearly wants to hide the fact that Erdogan is not in fact human, but the missing link between apes and modern humans.
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Postby Wine-loving Chimps » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:20 am

Well that's dumb.
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Postby Mehrabad » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:22 am

I wish Erdogan and his lackeys only misery, pain and misfortune for years to come. Feeling sorry for the Turks, though. At least those that see through that charlatan's charade.

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Postby Phoenicaea » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:31 am

this sort of nation Erdogan wishes to stand, the society, interests, roles, this sort is not compatible whith depevopped way of life and whith fair and diffused enrichment; the lasts which can take place wherever and nonetheless they take place often in aknowledged and best way of living nations.

If the sultan wishes to maintain its ambition and and ordered familiar passage of it, he has to keep the rain and reverting nation to Asian minded and in obscurantism and an hight poverty, underdevelopped status.

That s why political rethoric in "west" tries also to achieve this, despite political institutions and economic affairs beeing the core, whithout a murcky and vague and more ignorant and an indoctrinated people, whatever the tricks it would be difficult to assure absolute claims and tranquillity.

It has been showed in western culture and developped nation to be quite impossible to assure long lasting political tranquility and submission of governed people, all of them. The fringes party in other nations (pardon if this seems to be out of topic, this is not), often fake opposition parties well keeped by government leaders share this aim, to make people used at low degree thinking*.

*given example, in Italy: serie of local fake parties tied whith Berlsuconi and voicing underdevelopped society rethoric, Lega-Nord, Fratelli-Cristiani, Lega-sud-autonomie; in France: Front National, having this role; in USA: Trump's party, stated "poor people" supporters used as political meat as way of menace; and so on where I don t know.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:41 am

“We believe that these subjects are beyond their [students] comprehension,”

That's entirely reasonable...

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Postby Luziyca » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:07 am

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:And here I was thinking it's just Americans who don't believe in evolution...

They tend to be the most vocal, yes.

As for the matter at hand... this decision is not exactly a wise one. Like, apart from being the foundation of the modern sciences, the decision to stop teaching it just feels wrong.

It seems that Ataturk is probably spinning in his grave, considering how hard he tried to westernize the country.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:42 am

Baltenstein wrote:Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools,


About fucking time.

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Postby The Skrall » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:52 am

Baltenstein wrote:...described the process [evolution] as a theory that was both archaic and lacking sufficient evidence.


Because obviously evolution is more archaic and has less evidence than this:

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:12 am

On the other hand this might have a faint chance of getting U.S. Evangelicals to start believing in evolution just so they're not in the same space as Dirty Muslims.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:26 am

Gauthier wrote:On the other hand this might have a faint chance of getting U.S. Evangelicals to start believing in evolution just so they're not in the same space as Dirty Muslims.

There's like eight different things both Evangelical Christians and Muslims have in common.
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Postby Vulgar Bulgar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:23 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40388161

Judging from this, looks like physics is another weak subject in the Turkish education system.

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Postby Dylar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:05 am

Couldn't they just do what my high school did for biology class? Which focused mostly on evolution and then go "Oh, but here are a bunch of other beliefs, like Creationism, and...yeah, that's about it."
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