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Postby Keshiland » Tue May 30, 2017 8:48 am

From the East coast Maryland/Delaware up and the west coast all should join together and form a new republic separate from the mess that we have today.

We would thrive economically
We would control 90% of the food.
We would have 75% of the ports and coastline
We would basically be a socially and economically liberal nation that would strive.

The old America would become bankrupt and inflate into oblivion
Their infrastructure would crumble from the lack of money and no tax policies
Their food prices would skyrocket when 90% of the food gone from their borders.
Their conservative ideals would turn them into a 3rd world nation within years.

Basically, if we got together and created this new liberal country and made deals with Canada to allow us to bring supplies through Canada so we would not have to pay the conservatives. We would end up with 1 ultimate situation whether it be years or decades the United States would eventually put away its broken ego and allow us to decide on what terms reunification would happen and reshape the constitution under our liberal views.

Who wants to see this happen :) I know I do!
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 30, 2017 8:52 am

Nothing with a name as horrible as "Bluexit" should ever be allowed to happen.
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Postby Ambarii » Tue May 30, 2017 8:52 am

Political separatism never ends well. Awful idea.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 30, 2017 8:52 am

Sounds like a pretty shit idea.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 30, 2017 8:53 am

"They should suffer because I don't like their politics" is what I'm getting here.

Could be far off, though.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 30, 2017 8:54 am

Ifreann wrote:Nothing with a name as horrible as "Bluexit" should ever be allowed to happen.

True.

And it's always amused me when people don't get their way and suddenly want to pack up and start a new country. As if that would be less work than working together to fix the old one.
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Postby Keshiland » Tue May 30, 2017 8:55 am

Proctopeo wrote:"They should suffer because I don't like their politics" is what I'm getting here.

Could be far off, though.


No they should suffer because their policies suck and they and only they should have to live with them. Im tired of the surplus blue states having to bail out the red states with horrendous social and economic policies.
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 30, 2017 8:56 am

Keshiland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:"They should suffer because I don't like their politics" is what I'm getting here.

Could be far off, though.


No they should suffer because their policies suck and they and only they should have to live with them. Im tired of the surplus blue states having to bail out the red states with horrendous social and economic policies.

That is no different.
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Postby Keshiland » Tue May 30, 2017 8:58 am

And it's always amused me when people don't get their way and suddenly want to pack up and start a new country. As if that would be less work than working together to fix the old one.


Its actually less work because we have had a conservative supreme court for 45 years and so we can never progress when the majority of the time they strike down our laws in 5-4 decisions.
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

State count 135

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 30, 2017 8:59 am

Keshiland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:"They should suffer because I don't like their politics" is what I'm getting here.

Could be far off, though.


No they should suffer because their policies suck and they and only they should have to live with them. Im tired of the surplus blue states having to bail out the red states with horrendous social and economic policies.

So work on having all those states petition Congress for permission to leave. Good luck. Oh, and it might interest you to know that the Articles of Confederation, the first blueprint for the United States, declared that it was a "perpetual union." The Constitution, which was the legal successor to the Articles, says its purpose is to form a "more perfect union." If the first one was perpetual and the second one was more perfect, wouldn't that make the current nation more perfectly perpetual?
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Postby Leuierepublic » Tue May 30, 2017 8:59 am

Can you provide evidence and sources for any of your wild claims? And what happens to the republicans in those blue states?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 30, 2017 8:59 am

Keshiland wrote:
And it's always amused me when people don't get their way and suddenly want to pack up and start a new country. As if that would be less work than working together to fix the old one.


Its actually less work because we have had a conservative supreme court for 45 years and so we can never progress when the majority of the time they strike down our laws in 5-4 decisions.


Maybe your laws should stop being unconstitutional, lol.
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Postby Tamanian » Tue May 30, 2017 8:59 am

Keshiland wrote:From the East coast Maryland/Delaware up and the west coast all should join together and form a new republic separate from the mess that we have today.

We would thrive economically
We would control 90% of the food.
We would have 75% of the ports and coastline
We would basically be a socially and economically liberal nation that would strive.

The old America would become bankrupt and inflate into oblivion
Their infrastructure would crumble from the lack of money and no tax policies
Their food prices would skyrocket when 90% of the food gone from their borders.
Their conservative ideals would turn them into a 3rd world nation within years.

Basically, if we got together and created this new liberal country and made deals with Canada to allow us to bring supplies through Canada so we would not have to pay the conservatives. We would end up with 1 ultimate situation whether it be years or decades the United States would eventually put away its broken ego and allow us to decide on what terms reunification would happen and reshape the constitution under our liberal views.

Who wants to see this happen :) I know I do!

I cant help but notice that while you may have all the food the rest of the US has the military firepower. For example my home state Louisiana has Barksdake air force base which houses most if not all of the B-52 bombers in the US. The big difference between your succession and the CSA's succession is that the Confederacy stood a chance at victory over the Union while you don't have a snowball's chance in hell at being victorious.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 am

Civil war, baby!

Very profitable for undertakers and gun manufacturers, but won't be a great time for anyone else.
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Postby Ashlak » Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 am

It was stupid when the South did it, and it would be stupid if the East Coast were to do it.
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Postby Keshiland » Tue May 30, 2017 9:00 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
No they should suffer because their policies suck and they and only they should have to live with them. Im tired of the surplus blue states having to bail out the red states with horrendous social and economic policies.

That is no different.


How? Why should liberals have to suffer at the hands of horrendous policies that the conservatives pass at the national level and then bail out the conservatives states that do the same?

Its simply going back to the good old take responsibility for your actions.
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

State count 135

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 30, 2017 9:02 am

Keshiland wrote:
And it's always amused me when people don't get their way and suddenly want to pack up and start a new country. As if that would be less work than working together to fix the old one.


Its actually less work because we have had a conservative supreme court for 45 years and so we can never progress when the majority of the time they strike down our laws in 5-4 decisions.

Except when they don't and suddenly gays can marry and the ACA is upheld (for the most part) and they tell North Carolina's conservatives to piss off with their restrictions on voting rights, among other things.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 30, 2017 9:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Its actually less work because we have had a conservative supreme court for 45 years and so we can never progress when the majority of the time they strike down our laws in 5-4 decisions.


Maybe your laws should stop being unconstitutional, lol.


We both know the constitutional nature of the law is only one factor in making a decision. Ideology probably plays a more significant role than anyone is comfortable with or wants to admit.

Also, succession is a stupid plan.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue May 30, 2017 9:02 am

Keshiland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That is no different.


How? Why should liberals have to suffer at the hands of horrendous policies that the conservatives pass at the national level and then bail out the conservatives states that do the same?

Its simply going back to the good old take responsibility for your actions.

Why should conservatives have to suffer because liberals decided that they're "too good" for this union? And would they even suffer? A lot of the food is grown in the Midwest, to the point where Iowa is mostly farmland.
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Postby Leuierepublic » Tue May 30, 2017 9:03 am

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maybe your laws should stop being unconstitutional, lol.


We both know the constitutional nature of the law is only one factor in making a decision. Ideology probably plays a more significant role than anyone is comfortable with or wants to admit.

Also, succession is a stupid plan.

I know. But it was also settled back when the south succeed

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Postby Wysten » Tue May 30, 2017 9:03 am

Keshiland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:That is no different.


How? Why should liberals have to suffer at the hands of horrendous policies that the conservatives pass at the national level and then bail out the conservatives states that do the same?

Its simply going back to the good old take responsibility for your actions.

You make sound like conservatives are passing economic laws to bring us into a depression and also you make it sound like we are pushing the Nuremburg laws.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Tue May 30, 2017 9:03 am

Since when does the Blue Wall have 90% of the food?
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Postby Leuierepublic » Tue May 30, 2017 9:04 am

The Portland Territory wrote:Since when does the Blue Wall have 90% of the food?

I know Iowa Kansas

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Postby Lowell Leber » Tue May 30, 2017 9:05 am

Please show me evidence of your Coastal Blue states having 90 percent of all food stuffs?
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Postby Keshiland » Tue May 30, 2017 9:06 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
How? Why should liberals have to suffer at the hands of horrendous policies that the conservatives pass at the national level and then bail out the conservatives states that do the same?

Its simply going back to the good old take responsibility for your actions.

Why should conservatives have to suffer because liberals decided that they're "too good" for this union? And would they even suffer? A lot of the food is grown in the Midwest, to the point where Iowa is mostly farmland.


90% of the nation's food is grown in California. Sure the Midwest can grow grains but not much else.

"Why should conservatives have to suffer because liberals decided that they're "too good" for this union?" because we are its been proven that liberal policies make states richer and people freer. As opposed to the the opposite in conservative controlled states
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

State count 135

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