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Postby Liriena » Sat May 27, 2017 5:10 pm

I'm susprised (and disturbed) that this hasn't even been given a passing mention in General.

Man shouting 'anti-Muslim slurs' fatally stabs two men in Portland
Two men were fatally stabbed in Portland, Oregon on Friday after they came to the aid of two women who were being harassed because they appeared to be Muslim, police said.

On Saturday, Portland police named the suspect as Jeremy Joseph Christian and said he was being held without bail at the Multnomah County jail.

The 35-year-old, a known white supremacist according to a report by the Portland Mercury , was booked on two counts of aggravated murder, one count of attempted murder, two counts of intimidation in the second degree, and one count of felon in possession of a restricted weapon. He could face additional charges after the case is presented to a grand jury. He is due to be arraigned on Monday.

In a statement, Portland police said the attacker shouted ethnic and religious slurs at the women on a commuter train at the Hollywood transit station. Witnesses told police that the two young women were possibly Muslim. One wore a hijab.

Three men who intervened were stabbed, two fatally, and Christian was arrested shortly after he got off the train. The women left the scene before police could interview them.

Portland police did not identify the suspect or the victims. The third victim was treated for non-life threatening injuries.

In a blogpost, the Mercury said Christian yelled racial slurs and repeatedly gave a Nazi salute at a rightwing march in April. Police confiscated a baseball bat he carried to the event, according to the post, which included video of the incident.

Portland mayor Ted Wheeler, who was flying to London when the crime occurred, said in a statement there is “too much hatred in our world”.

“Now is the time, we must come together as a community and love one another,” Wheeler said. “We must reject hatred and violence. We must seek justice.”

The attack on Friday afternoon happened hours before the start of Ramadan, Islam’s holy month, when most of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims observe a religious fast.

In a statement responding to the attack, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair) said anti-Muslim incidents in the US had increased by more than 50% from 2015 to 2016, which it blamed in part on Donald Trump’s focus on militant Islamist groups and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

“President Trump must speak out personally against the rising tide of Islamophobia and other forms of bigotry and racism in our nation that he has provoked through his numerous statements, policies and appointments that have negatively impacted minority communities,” said Cair’s national executive director, Nihad Awad.

The administration says that while it strongly opposes Islamist militants, it has no quarrel with Islam.


Suspect in Portland double murder posted white supremacist material online
Police in Portland, Oregon, have charged a white supremacist with a double murder and hate crimes, after he allegedly cut the throats of two passengers and stabbed another on a commuter train late on Friday afternoon.

According to police, while riding the MAX train in suburban north-east Portland, Jeremy Joseph Christian, 35, began “yelling various remarks that would best be characterized as hate speech toward a variety of ethnicities and religions.”

When fellow passengers attempted to intervene, Christian stabbed three of them. One man, 53-year-old Ricky John Best of Happy Valley, Oregon, died at the scene. Another, 23-year-old Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche of south-east Portland, was pronounced dead at a local hospital. A third was treated for injuries that police said were “not expected to be life-threatening”.

The targets of Christian’s reported abuse included two young women who left the scene. Police believe they may have been Muslim, and that one may have been wearing a hijab. Police have appealed for these women to come forward.

After the attack, Christian reportedly fled on foot from the Hollywood transit station to a nearby medical center, but was soon apprehended by police. An amateur video published by the Oregonian appeared to show Christian taunting police before his arrest.

Early on Saturday morning, Christian was booked into Multnomah County jail and charged with two counts each of aggravated murder and intimidation in the second degree, a hate crime offence. He was also charged with attempted murder and felon in possession of a restricted weapon. He was scheduled to be arraigned on Monday in Multnomah County court.

Christian had been a prominent and vocal participant in recent “alt-right” rallies in Portland. At a “free speech rally” in Montavilla City Park on 29 April he was captured on video wrapped in an American flag, giving Nazi salutes. Earlier that day, police reportedly confiscated a baseball bat from him. Local reporters captured him yelling racial slurs and threatening to shoot “anyone who tries to disarm me”.

Cat Davila, who was among counter-protesters at the free speech rally, said Christian “showed up part way through the event and came striding straight toward the counter-demonstrator crowd very purposefully waving a baseball bat by his side and staring us down.”

As he drew closer, Davila said, police “blocked him and took his bat and from then on he just yelled a lot.”

Christian’s Facebook page revealed obsessive concern with various far right themes. In recent weeks he posted memes and other material attacking “anti-fascist” protesters who have clashed with various “alt-right” rallies around the country. In the lead-up to the April free speech rally, he posted: “Looking for a couple guys or gals down to unmask anyone wear[ing] a mask at the upcoming Free Speech March”, referring to the antifascist practice of disguising protesters’ identities.

Christian also posted openly antisemitic and neo-Nazi material. On 9 May, he claimed to have challenged Nuremberg prosecutor Ben Ferencz to a debate, in which “I will defend the Nazis”. The same day, he posted “Hail Vinland!!! Hail Victory!!!”, combining a familiar catchphrase that was used at a post-election rally by the activist Richard Spencer with the far-right concept of “Vinland”.

Portland-based anti-fascist researcher Shane Burley, author of the forthcoming book Fascism Today, told the Guardian that “Vinland” refers to the area of eastern Canada that Leif Erikson supposedly settled from Iceland. On the far right, he said, it is used as a way of asserting that white nationalists “are Vikings in a new land continuing the ancient battle for the preservation of their people.”

Christian wrote several recent posts opposing male circumcision, writing “I want a job in Norway cutting off the heads of people that circumcize babies” and posting articles about recent attempts in Norway to ban on the practice. Circumcision, Burley said, “is a common men’s rights activist talking point to signify a culture-wide persecution of men.”

Christian also posted material from media outlets depicting his participation in the April free speech rally, referring to his use of an American flag as a cape as his “Lizard King Regalia”.

Christian’s engagement with far right politics may be relatively new. A person who knew him in Portland’s heavy metal scene, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that when he first encountered him eight years ago he was apolitical.

“Jeremy has always been an extremely damaged person since I’ve known him,” the person said. “He practically grew up in prison and his childhood was horrific but I’ve always known him to have a kind heart.”

Christian had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, the person said, and “has an extremely obsessive personality. He gets fixed on a thing or an idea and flies off the edge of the world with it.”

According to records, Christian has a history of violence. In 2002, wearing a ski mask, he handcuffed a North Portland shopkeeper to the counter while stealing cash and cigarettes. Following the robbery, Christian was shot in the face by a Portland police officer.

Searches indicated 2002 convictions for kidnapping in the second degree, carrying and using a dangerous weapon, and robbery in the first degree. Records also indicated that Christian had been charged, but not convicted, with offenses ranging from felon in possession of a firearm to supplying contraband.

The attack on Friday came just a week before another “free speech rally” in downtown Portland, planned for 4 June. The event is being organized by Patriot Prayer, the group that organized the rally in April. The rally will feature a number of national “alt-right” celebrities. Anti-fascists are organizing a counter-protest.


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Opinion: At this point, continuing to treat white supremacism as an insignificant or easily dismissed problem is nothing short of a cowardly or complicit lie, and a very dangerous one at that. We Westerners need to start treating this movement and the violence it is inflicting upon our society like the abomination it is and, more importantly, like one abomination we are fully responsible for. If we can be perpetually alert and concerned about Islamic extremism abroad, we can and must at least have the decency to not be complacent and let people continue to become radicalized to the point of violence by a toxic and hateful ideology born from within our own societies.
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Postby Orostan » Sat May 27, 2017 5:12 pm

This... disturbs me.
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Postby Yagon » Sat May 27, 2017 5:39 pm

The dead victims were trying to protect the Muslim women.

They and the surviving third man shed their blood to protect other humans from a coward with a weapon who will sit in a cage now.

It cost them their lives, but they have stopped him. When their names are released they should be recognized as heroes.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat May 27, 2017 5:42 pm

My condolences to the victims families.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat May 27, 2017 5:48 pm

This one incident is of course being used to paint with too broad of a brush, but the movement is far from unified or uniformly hateful. It comprises a spectrum. I identify as separatist as opposed to supremacist, but people on here are content to consider me the latter anyways. If they want to believe that, fine- whatever. Stormfront has had its share of violent fanatics, but most of its users just vent but keep to themselves within that ideological boundary.

But sure, spend your time defending an Abrahamic religion which wants world domination and would destroy the western, developed countries' way of life if allowed that opportunity by treasonously weak leadership from the left.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat May 27, 2017 5:50 pm

Saiwania wrote:This one incident is of course being used to paint with too broad of a brush, but the movement is far from unified or uniformly hateful. It comprises a spectrum. I identify as separatist as opposed to supremacist, but people on here are content to consider me the latter anyways. If they want to believe that, fine- whatever. Stormfront has had its share of violent fanatics, but most of its users just vent but keep to themselves within that ideological boundary.

But sure, spend your time defending an Abrahamic religion which wants world domination and would destroy the western, developed countries' way of life if allowed that opportunity by treasonously weak leadership from the left.


For fuck's sake, two people were murdered by this white supremacist asshole and you'd rather show even a mediocre amount of support for what he did and his attack on Muslims than show sympathy for the victims here?

Fucking disgusting.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat May 27, 2017 5:56 pm

Torrocca wrote:For fuck's sake, two people were murdered by this white supremacist asshole and you'd rather show even a mediocre amount of support for what he did and his attack on Muslims than show sympathy for the victims here?

Fucking disgusting.


That is far from the intent of my message. I believe that Islam can coexist peacefully with non-Muslim nations, but we can't pretend that the lion's share of the terrorism that currently goes on in the world isn't Jihad inspired. Wahhabism in all of its forms, has to eventually be crushed, else it'll continue to cause problems for infidels.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat May 27, 2017 5:58 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Torrocca wrote:For fuck's sake, two people were murdered by this white supremacist asshole and you'd rather show even a mediocre amount of support for what he did and his attack on Muslims than show sympathy for the victims here?

Fucking disgusting.


That is far from the intent of my message. I believe that Islam can coexist peacefully with non-Muslim nations, but we can't pretend that the lion's share of the terrorism that currently goes on in the world isn't Jihad inspired. Wahhabism in all of its forms, has to eventually be crushed, else it'll continue to cause problems for infidels.


And the intent of my message is that your message is a fucking disgusting one using the death of innocent people as a political tool.
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Postby Daeseong » Sat May 27, 2017 6:04 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Torrocca wrote:For fuck's sake, two people were murdered by this white supremacist asshole and you'd rather show even a mediocre amount of support for what he did and his attack on Muslims than show sympathy for the victims here?

Fucking disgusting.


That is far from the intent of my message. I believe that Islam can coexist peacefully with non-Muslim nations, but we can't pretend that the lion's share of the terrorism that currently goes on in the world isn't Jihad inspired. Wahhabism in all of its forms, has to eventually be crushed, else it'll continue to cause problems for infidels.

In what sense is this relevant to the murders other than the fact that one of the the victims is a Muslim? Literally, nobody in this thread was 'defending Islam' in any measure - merely wishing condolences to the victims.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat May 27, 2017 6:06 pm

It's absolutely sickening.

Two women minding their own business on a train when some idiot comes up and starts harassing them, and then when some brave people try to intervene they get stabbed. Ricky Best and Taliesin Meche were willing to do more than just be bystanders and sadly they paid with their lives. Hopefully Micah Fletcher, the third man who was stabbed, has a speedy recovery from his injuries.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat May 27, 2017 6:06 pm

Hmm. Okay, that's one subhuman on the side of white supremacy. How many were on the side of Islam?

Right.

Anyway, it's a darn shame that Oregon doesn't really use its death penalty. The table is about the only thing a monster like that deserves.

If Oregon was more lax on its gun laws, maybe the freak would have gotten blown away before he could hurt the innocents who came to defend the innocent people he was after.

It's inexcusable. Such hate cannot be justified under any context.
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Postby Yagon » Sat May 27, 2017 6:08 pm

Saiwania wrote:This one incident is of course being used to paint with too broad of a brush, but the movement is far from unified or uniformly hateful. It comprises a spectrum. I identify as separatist as opposed to supremacist, but people on here are content to consider me the latter anyways. If they want to believe that, fine- whatever. Stormfront has had its share of violent fanatics, but most of its users just vent but keep to themselves within that ideological boundary.

But sure, spend your time defending an Abrahamic religion which wants world domination and would destroy the western, developed countries' way of life if allowed that opportunity by treasonously weak leadership from the left.


I don't think our way of life should be stabbing three guys because they tried to stop someone from harassing and scaring some women for not being the same religion.

I think if that is Western Civilization we need to start calling it Western "Civilization".

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TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Hmm. Okay, that's one subhuman on the side of white supremacy. How many were on the side of Islam?


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This got political fast.

At the very least, it appears he was, in all likelihood, just one lone nut.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 27, 2017 6:14 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Hmm. Okay, that's one subhuman on the side of white supremacy. How many were on the side of Islam?

Whataboutism is such a cowardly tactic.
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I DONT LIKE THE MUSLEMS KILLIN PEOPLE *stabs 2 people to death*
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Proctopeo wrote:This got political fast.

At the very least, it appears he was, in all likelihood, just one lone nut.

Yes, as far as we know he acted on his own... but it doesn't change the fact that he's part of a larger problem.
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Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:This got political fast.

At the very least, it appears he was, in all likelihood, just one lone nut.

Yes, as far as we know he acted on his own... but it doesn't change the fact that he's part of a larger problem.

Aren't most people who commit such acts, regardless of target, part of a larger problem, though?
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Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yes, as far as we know he acted on his own... but it doesn't change the fact that he's part of a larger problem.

Aren't most people who commit such acts, regardless of target, part of a larger problem, though?

We aren't talking about a vague collection of people. We're talking about a white supremacist.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 27, 2017 6:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Aren't most people who commit such acts, regardless of target, part of a larger problem, though?

We aren't talking about a vague collection of people. We're talking about a white supremacist.

Yes, I'm aware.

I was saying that most people who kill or injure people due to race or religion are part of some larger problem.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat May 27, 2017 6:23 pm

Daeseong wrote:In what sense is this relevant to the murders other than the fact that one of the the victims is a Muslim? Literally, nobody in this thread was 'defending Islam' in any measure - merely wishing condolences to the victims.


I interpreted the opinion portion of this thread's opening post as blaming all of White racism for this incident, just a tiny bit of push back on that front, using Islamic fundamentalism as an example. I've been sufficiently shamed, :roll: moving on.

Yes, it is clear to me that this person was looking for a fight. He'd have targeted anyone who physically fit into the mold of looking like "the enemy" he perceived. It was the fact that one or both of the women were wearing Hijabs. I think it more ideal if they wouldn't so as to blend into a crowd better, but if it is what Islam stipulates for them, they'll wear a Hijab. Because of that, I'll concede that it isn't a reasonable expectation so far as Muslim women go. It'll still make them stand out to some degree. The Burqa on the other hand, is worthy of being banned.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Daeseong » Sat May 27, 2017 6:29 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Daeseong wrote:In what sense is this relevant to the murders other than the fact that one of the the victims is a Muslim? Literally, nobody in this thread was 'defending Islam' in any measure - merely wishing condolences to the victims.


I interpreted the opinion portion of this thread's opening post as blaming all of White racism for this incident, just a tiny bit of push back on that front, using Islamic fundamentalism as an example. I've been sufficiently shamed, :roll:

The OP wasn't so much a defense of Islam as a criticism of white supremacy. At no point does it defend Islam. Your post was entirely about defending Islam. It was entirely non-sequitur.

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