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[DRAFT] Universal Ban on Firearms Act

Postby Keshiland » Wed May 24, 2017 5:34 pm

Universal Ban on Firearms Act

Goal- To eliminate the possession of firearms for all civilians.

Restrictions- A full ban on the possession of firearms for civilians, the sale of firearms to civilians, and use of firearms by civilians.

Acknowledging- Some nations may have a gun culture.

Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.

Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.

Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.

Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.

Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed May 24, 2017 5:39 pm

Keshiland wrote:Punishment The punishment for violation is a request to the security council for condemnation.

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Postby Keshiland » Wed May 24, 2017 5:41 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Keshiland wrote:Punishment The punishment for violation is a request to the security council for condemnation.

OOC: Metagaming and game mechanics violations in one package. Proposal rules here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348


removed thanks for pointing that out :P
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Wed May 24, 2017 5:51 pm

Teran Saber: "There's a lot of problems with this."

Keshiland wrote:Acknowledging- Some nations may have a gun culture.


"In some cases it's not just culture. Not all nations have the military resources to defend themselves, and have to rely on civilian militia. Not to mention it would also be problematic for both starfaring nations and nations in the 'age of sailing and exploration' as it leaves civilians completely helpless at the hands of pirates."

Keshiland wrote:Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.


"You need to back this statement"

Keshiland wrote:Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.


"Congratulations. You just classified Airsoft guns, BB guns, Nerf guns, water guns and any toy with a shooting action as a firearm, among other things."

Keshiland wrote:Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.


(OOC: pretty sure creating a world assembly law enforcement committee is against the rules)

Keshiland wrote:Punishment The punishment for violation is a request to the security council for condemnation.


(OOC: Metagaming violation. Also unnecessary.)

Keshiland wrote:Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.


"Congratulations. You just took firearms away from any non-military police forces."

Keshiland wrote:Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.


"The only reasonable thing about this proposal."

Keshiland wrote:Mandates Law be enacted in each nation within 7 days of passing.


"Unnecessary. Resolutions go into effect as soon as they are passed."

"As a whole, this is a one-size fits all proposal that would never pass. I'd suggest you abandon it."

*Teran Saber takes his copy of the proposal outside and lights it on fire with a handheld 3.5Gw laser*
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Postby Secundus Imperium Romanum » Wed May 24, 2017 5:56 pm

Giulia Maccini: This project is a clear disregard for the law and the freedom to conduct a gun, whoever decides is the citizen, not us. We will fight in every way against the approval of this stupid resolution.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed May 24, 2017 5:56 pm

Keshiland wrote:Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.

OOC: Includes crossbows and water pistols. And possibly tasers.

Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation

Too much faffing with text edits. You don't need to bold the capital letters. Or anything, really.

Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.

Typo. Also, report them to whom or what? Remember that the WA does not and cannot have a police or military force of its own.

Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.

That latter part goes without saying. Also, if the police are not military personnel, they can't have guns either.

Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.

See above.

Mandates Law be enacted in each nation within 7 days of passing.

Resolutions come into effect immediately after passing. Coming to full compliance with one may take time, but exactly what is the 7 day deadline for? Is it that after 7 days anyone owning a gun is breaking the law, or that after 7 days the gun-collecting needs to start?

This is one of those things that will never ever pass, not as long as over 50% WA voters are from USA and possibly Australia.

EDIT: I know Sirius ninja'd me, but eh, I'd already written it...
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed May 24, 2017 6:02 pm

Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.

Absolutely right. There was no crime, no war, no murder, before guns. Nope never. It was a paradise where everybody was happy and safe and rode unicorns.

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Postby Araraukar » Wed May 24, 2017 6:05 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.

Absolutely right. There was no crime, no war, no murder, before guns. Nope never. It was a paradise where everybody was happy and safe and rode unicorns.

[/sarcasm]

Well you have to admit that there weren't any shootings using guns... :P
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Postby Keshiland » Wed May 24, 2017 6:12 pm

but exactly what is the 7 day deadline for? Is it that after 7 days anyone owning a gun is breaking the law, or that after 7 days the gun-collecting needs to start?


7 days to start removing guns
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Wed May 24, 2017 6:13 pm

OOC (because this pertains to IRL stuff): I just remembered something. 3D printed firearms are a thing, and we're starting to see thermoplastic nylon alloys that can handle the stress caused by firing a bullet and aren't prone to delamination. In a sense, this makes it really difficult to enforce any sort of firearms legislation. The only person breaking any laws is the person printing the weapon. The CAD drawing author is protected by whatever free speech protections their home nation has.
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Postby The Christonian Imperium » Wed May 24, 2017 6:19 pm

Keshiland wrote:Universal Ban on Firearms Act

Goal- To eliminate the possession of firearms for all civilians.

Restrictions- A full ban on the possession of firearms for civilians, the sale of firearms to civilians, and use of firearms by civilians.

Acknowledging- Some nations may have a gun culture.

Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.

Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.

Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.

Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.

Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.

Mandates Law be enacted in each nation within 7 days of passing.

We find your ridiculous idea of a bill preposterous, our nation requires that every man and woman that is able bodied, sane, and has not committed is demanded by federal law to join the military and keep a rifle and handgun at home in case of invasion or if a filthy communist/liberal terrorist starts anything. We shall block your bill and if it is signed we will deny its use in this fair nation. You can shove your little joke up your a**, I bid you a good day.
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Postby NeoOasis » Wed May 24, 2017 6:39 pm

Keshiland wrote:Universal Ban on Firearms Act

Goal- To eliminate the possession of firearms for all civilians.

Restrictions- A full ban on the possession of firearms for civilians, the sale of firearms to civilians, and use of firearms by civilians.

Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.


What's the point of creating an administration to register firearms that have been banned? This seems utterly superfluous.
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Postby Cylonarus » Wed May 24, 2017 6:50 pm

Keshiland wrote:Universal Ban on Firearms Act

Goal- To eliminate the possession of firearms for all civilians.

Restrictions- A full ban on the possession of firearms for civilians, the sale of firearms to civilians, and use of firearms by civilians.

Acknowledging- Some nations may have a gun culture.

Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.

Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.

Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.

Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.

Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.

Mandates Law be enacted in each nation within 7 days of passing.


"There is so much wrong with this..."


Goal- To eliminate the possession of firearms for all civilians.
"Yea, and leave them defenseless. Good idea."

Restrictions- A full ban on the possession of firearms for civilians, the sale of firearms to civilians, and use of firearms by civilians.
"Again, and leave them defenseless. EVEN BETTER IDEA!"

Acknowledging- Some nations may have a gun culture.
"So?"

Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.
"Sincerely, jihadist massacres that could have been stopped with one single guy with a gun"

Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.
"So you're gonna outlaw BB guns, nerf guns, and numerous other appliances that use that mechanism that aren't actually guns?"

Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.
"Oh jesus..."

Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.
"And leave them, yet again, completely defenseless against tyranny."

Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.
"Isn't that already a thing?"

Mandates Law be enacted in each nation within 7 days of passing.[/quote]
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Postby Essu Beti » Wed May 24, 2017 7:06 pm

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Postby Aclion » Wed May 24, 2017 7:11 pm

*Hem hem* Celice passes out a copy of GAR#399 with a section prominently highlighted.

5. Assures member nations of the exclusive right to determine purely internal arms trading and firearm policy, excepting:

those regulations recognized by the terms of this resolution or extant international law,
future regulations which seek to prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action, or
future resolutions which seek to relax regulations on purchasing firearms for recreational reasons only;
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Postby The Sheika » Wed May 24, 2017 7:40 pm

Aright, let's see what you came up with this time around.
Keshiland wrote:Universal Ban on Firearms Act

I am fairly certain that you are going to have a lot of opposition based upon the title alone.
Goal- To eliminate the possession of firearms for all civilians.

Restrictions- A full ban on the possession of firearms for civilians, the sale of firearms to civilians, and use of firearms by civilians.

If I was for this proposal, which I am not, I would combine these two into a single point.

Acknowledging- Some nations may have a gun culture.

It's good that you acknowledge that, but does it really help your proposal?
Recognizing- That a gun free nation is a safe nation.

Not exactly. If a foreign dissident really wanted to hurt a nation they consider belligerent, I am pretty sure they could summon the personal motivation to carry out their attack. Could law enforcement stop them? Sure, if they respond in time. Despite any safe guards that could be put into place, where there is a will there is a way.
Defines- Firearm: Any object that can shoot a projectile with the use of a button, or trigger that is handheld.

Handheld can be sort of tricky to define. If somebody really wanted to, they could determine handheld meaning a pistol thus making a tripod-mounted machine gun legal...er, provided they went through the mental gymnastics to create such a loophole.
Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.

If firearms are not being sold, what is the point of registration? Registering for the sake of them being registered seems like a waste.
Requires All firearms be removed from civilians and that the law be enforced by the individual nations.

Hmm, the more I read this the more it seems like this might work out better for your nation. If you can come up with a compelling argument as to how this is an international concern, I'll be all ears. The burden of proof is on you.
Allows For military personnel to own firearms during service.

Would these be their assigned weapons from their units, or personal posessions?
Mandates Law be enacted in each nation within 7 days of passing.

Nope, all resolutions go into effect upon passage.
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu May 25, 2017 9:31 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
Keshiland wrote:Creates- Universal Firearm Regulation Administation- Used to keep track of and register all firearms, aswell as report all violations of the law.


(OOC: pretty sure creating a world assembly law enforcement committee is against the rules)

OOC: With the limited scope involved here, which doesn't involve forcibly enforcing the law, I'd call it legal... in that respect. However, as worded ("Universal", "all"), it looks to me as though the agency is meant to have jurisdiction in non-WA nations as well as in the WA's actual members... which is illegal.
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Postby Covenstone » Thu May 25, 2017 9:45 am

Covenstone has a general ban on guns, and has had for several decades. Giving your citizens the ability to kill in great numbers, over long distances and on a whim just seems incredibly counter productive to the survival of the said citizens.

However we understand that other nations might not feel this way, and we do not believe that we should interfere with their choice because, if they endeavoured to enforce their view that all citizens should have the right to carry guns on us, we would find it offensive and insulting.

We also disagree that a gun free nation is a safe nation, given that people still sometimes get killed in Covenstone, despite the ban on guns. (And no, we do not believe giving our citizens the right to own guns would actually prevent any of these deaths, especially the ones where they fall into ravines, get killed by forest fires and sometimes hit by toilets falling from the International Space Station.)
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Postby Araraukar » Fri May 26, 2017 7:48 am

It still bans non-military police from having guns.
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Postby Lardingo » Fri May 26, 2017 12:06 pm

Although Lardingo is no longer a member of the WA, we do keep up on its affairs and have encountered this proposal. For many nations like Lardingo, guns are a large and proud part of their culture. Without firearms, we wouldn't be Lardingo. They provide a way for our citizens to protect themselves, and keep our government in check. I suggest that the international community work on improving mental health care and firearms training, instead of getting rid of guns altogether.

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Postby Iraelia » Fri May 26, 2017 12:55 pm

"This resolution is a slap in the face to any semblance of national sovereignty that is left in this world. I urge you to reconsider the very reasoning behind this resolution."
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Postby Afo » Fri May 26, 2017 4:51 pm

Araraukar wrote:and possibly Australia.

Not Australia. They instituted a gun-grab some 20 years ago.
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Fri May 26, 2017 6:29 pm

Iraelia wrote:"This resolution is a slap in the face to any semblance of national sovereignty that is left in this world. I urge you to reconsider the very reasoning behind this resolution."


Teran Saber: "As much as I agree with your statements, unfortunately stepping on national sovereignty is the job of the World Assembly, and as such using it as your sole argument against a proposal doesn't work."
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Postby Keshiland » Fri May 26, 2017 7:51 pm

Lets just put it to a vote!

If it passes great if not its dropped!
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Postby Beta City » Fri May 26, 2017 7:55 pm

I for one is in favour of this draft, why do normal law abiding citizens need guns for anyways?

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