by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 5:53 pm
by Audioslavia » Fri May 19, 2017 6:04 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:if you could not spoil your vote or abstain,...
by Athrax » Fri May 19, 2017 6:06 pm
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 pm
In this circumstance I'd opt for the National Front, if only to stop the French from rioting in the streets when their morning Gauloise is banned.
by Shofercia » Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 pm
by Pope Joan » Fri May 19, 2017 6:08 pm
by Thermodolia » Fri May 19, 2017 6:08 pm
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:08 pm
Athrax wrote:Gun to my head? Pull the trigger. I don't see a difference. They're slightly different versions of awful conservativism, and neither will have my support. I suppose the NF is slightly more in line with what I consider important than the Muslim Brotherhood, but I could never find myself supporting either group in any instance.
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:09 pm
Shofercia wrote:This is certainly an interesting choice. On the one hand, it's tough to see women demoted; on the other, it's tough to see racial minorities demoted. I'll be watching this thread - good OP!
by Athrax » Fri May 19, 2017 6:10 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Athrax wrote:Gun to my head? Pull the trigger. I don't see a difference. They're slightly different versions of awful conservativism, and neither will have my support. I suppose the NF is slightly more in line with what I consider important than the Muslim Brotherhood, but I could never find myself supporting either group in any instance.
Both awful? I would vehemently agree. But I would say that the MB's conservatism is very different to the NF's.
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:11 pm
Pope Joan wrote:We have been spoonfed a typical MSM line that demonizes the Muslim Brotherhood.
They were deomcratically elected in an internationally supervised election.
Then the US led a junta to overthrow them, and then jail them on charges that would have been more appropriately made against the junta itself.
by Chessmistress » Fri May 19, 2017 6:12 pm
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:12 pm
Athrax wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Both awful? I would vehemently agree. But I would say that the MB's conservatism is very different to the NF's.
Both are trying to promote their own culture to a very aggressive degree. The NF's conservativism favors the more local culture, while the MB's favors a foreign one. But both are equally loathsome to a multiculturalist like myself.
by Neo Balka » Fri May 19, 2017 6:13 pm
Athrax wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Both awful? I would vehemently agree. But I would say that the MB's conservatism is very different to the NF's.
Both are trying to promote their own culture to a very aggressive degree. The NF's conservativism favors the more local culture, while the MB's favors a foreign one. But both are equally loathsome to a multiculturalist like myself.
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:14 pm
Chessmistress wrote:A ban on cigarettes by the Muslim Brotherhood within Submission by Michel Houellebecq???
I did read it, and I'm pretty sure that there isn't such thing...
Answering to your question: as Feminist in this case I would side with relatively moderate tradcons, against extreme patriarchy.
Without doubts and without remorses.
by Athrax » Fri May 19, 2017 6:15 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Athrax wrote:Both are trying to promote their own culture to a very aggressive degree. The NF's conservativism favors the more local culture, while the MB's favors a foreign one. But both are equally loathsome to a multiculturalist like myself.
If you are a woman, or at least an independent minded woman, wouldn't the choice between these "conservatisms" be far easier?
by Threlizdun » Fri May 19, 2017 6:15 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Pope Joan wrote:We have been spoonfed a typical MSM line that demonizes the Muslim Brotherhood.
They were deomcratically elected in an internationally supervised election.
Then the US led a junta to overthrow them, and then jail them on charges that would have been more appropriately made against the junta itself.
These are very interesting and complicated issues, but we are not exactly talking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt here. More a hypothetical French affiliate operating with its own ideas in a different social context.
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:16 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:These are very interesting and complicated issues, but we are not exactly talking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt here. More a hypothetical French affiliate operating with its own ideas in a different social context.
And that's all it is. Hypothetical. The events that would have to transpire to make this election result even remotely possible are so outlandish that we can't even begin to imagine what the backdrop of this election would actually look like. We may as well be discussing the election between the National Front and a hypothetical resurgence in French Monarchists. Both are equally implausible in the current political climate and any expected political climate of the near future.
by Athrax » Fri May 19, 2017 6:17 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:These are very interesting and complicated issues, but we are not exactly talking about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt here. More a hypothetical French affiliate operating with its own ideas in a different social context.
And that's all it is. Hypothetical. The events that would have to transpire to make this election result even remotely possible are so outlandish that we can't even begin to imagine what the backdrop of this election would actually look like. We may as well be discussing the election between the National Front and a hypothetical resurgence in French Monarchists. Both are equally implausible in the current political climate and any expected political climate of the near future.
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:17 pm
Athrax wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:If you are a woman, or at least an independent minded woman, wouldn't the choice between these "conservatisms" be far easier?
I'm a gay atheist, so the less religiously minded version would be more beneficial to me personally. That being said, I also dislike the idea of throwing ethnic minorities under the bus to save myself.
by Chessmistress » Fri May 19, 2017 6:19 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Chessmistress wrote:A ban on cigarettes by the Muslim Brotherhood within Submission by Michel Houellebecq???
I did read it, and I'm pretty sure that there isn't such thing...
Answering to your question: as Feminist in this case I would side with relatively moderate tradcons, against extreme patriarchy.
Without doubts and without remorses.
It is hinted it rather than said outright. When the TGV breaks down, guards fan out to stop passengers from taking a smoke outside. I interpreted that as something like a public smoking ban at the very least, though I might have jumped the gun there.
by Thermodolia » Fri May 19, 2017 6:19 pm
Proctopeo wrote:National Front for certain, now with two reasons instead of one.
by Bakery Hill » Fri May 19, 2017 6:19 pm
Athrax wrote:Threlizdun wrote:And that's all it is. Hypothetical. The events that would have to transpire to make this election result even remotely possible are so outlandish that we can't even begin to imagine what the backdrop of this election would actually look like. We may as well be discussing the election between the National Front and a hypothetical resurgence in French Monarchists. Both are equally implausible in the current political climate and any expected political climate of the near future.
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